Flat earth: Are Australia to South America flights real?

Air New Zealand now flies direct to Buenos Aires from Auckland. The flight time is approximately 12 hours. They operate three return services a week with their Boeing 777-200 airplanes all year around.

Many believers in the flat earth claim such flights are impossible and not real. This is because most flat earthers accept a map that puts Australia and South America on opposite sides of their flat earth making them so far apart that you would have to travel at more than twice the speed of sound to make the journey in the twelve hours that these flights actually take to transport passengers from Auckland, New Zealand to Buenos Aires, Argentina.

So just to find out for myself if these flights are real or not I booked a return ticket to Buenos Aires in December 2017.

I left Auckland on the evening of December 11, 2017 and did arrive in Buenos Aires approximately 12 hours later, along with a full plane load of other people. I also took the return flight from Buenos Aires to Auckland on December 24, 2017 and that similarly took about 12 hours and I most certainly arrived in Auckland.

To try and understand exactly where the plane was flying I took my iPhone with a data logger logging all the sensor information it could get for the flight. Unfortunately on the flight to Buenos Aires, perhaps to the design of the airplane, the iPhone could not pick up any GPS signal but on the return flight it was a different plane and I was able to get GPS coordinates for at least part of the flight. But the other senses like direction, altitude, speed, etc, were working an logging data on both flights.

I am including the raw datalogs for both flights below and please analyze them yourself and let me know what you find in the comments:

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Please see the image below for the GPS data I was able to collect on the flight from Buenos Aires to New Zealand. It is incomplete but these are actual GPS coordinates recorded and logged by my iPhone on the flight. So it appears they have taken the long route. As we are lead to believe that if they would have flown down towards the South Pole, because the earth is a globe, it would be shorter. But instead of doing this they have flown up, towards the equator, then back down again towards New Zealand. So the route according to the GPS coordinates does appear a bit different to the route they show on their flight information system.

So the actual route appears to be quite dramatically different from the route they show us on the flight information screen:

So the conclusion is the flights in the Southern Hemisphere like the one I personally went on from Auckland to Buenos Aires do exist and are real and do take approximately 12 hours which would be impossible on the flat earth map unless the planes were flying at more than twice the speed of sound. Which I think we can be quite sure they are not. And we have verified they do fly on more-or-less the same route as they are claimed to fly on. So this information would appear to cast rather serious doubts on the validity of the accepted flat earth map.

15 Replies to “Flat earth: Are Australia to South America flights real?”

  1. DG

    Hey there, I read through your post here and found the flight pattern to be very intriguing. After a little searching, I found that the most reasonable explanation for the alteration in advertised versus actual flight path would be the local jet stream patterns at the time of your flight. If you go to this link below, you’ll find that the flight path recorded by your GPS tracker falls in line with the average jet stream pattern that would allow for minimal fuel burn. Good post!

    https://www.netweather.tv/charts-and-data/global-jetstream#2018/07/20/1800Z/jetstream/surface/level/overlay=jetstream/orthographic=-129.84,-49.27,712

  2. Marcelo A Galvan

    Pt br, Friend and if you use the UN Azimuth Map template and trace the same route? Perhaps it makes more sense, if the planes fly in the UN azimuth map model (for reference only), the trajectory would be more explained by the flat navigation and the route in question has an acceleration of 300 km hour to more site the speed of the airplane in some parts saving fuel and time. Do this research and share, thank you!

    • madhudvisa

      Yes. Of course that is the main point. It would be impossible to fly this route in the 10 hours or so that it actually takes if the earth was actually as it is depicted on the Azimuth map. Look at that map yourself. That map puts Australia and South America on opposite sides. So shortest distance would be to fly over the North Pole… So it is absolutely not possible to fly from New Zealand to Argentina in 10 hours on the AE map…

    • madhudvisa

      I don’t have a personal jet unfortunately, but I am sure someone who had a personal jet could fly on the same route that Air New Zealand does.

  3. Sanyiago

    you say they are dramatically different, but you didn’t mention the fact that the second map IS a FLAT map. if you were to modify it too fit the globe, the difference wouldn’t be so great. it would probably still be different, but not so much.
    otherwise, good job. I enjoyed the read.

  4. Flying Kiwi

    Reading through your article was very interesting, as I live in New Zealand, done many overseas flights commercially, but also have some understanding through flight training as a pilot.
    FEers will go on about why not fly directly over the South Pole, which in reality would only be “logical” if flying directly from a Western Australian city (Perth), to a South American city. Even Sydney to any Western South American city say in Chile or Peru if in a perfect straight line (as on a map) would barely touch the edge of the Antarctic continent, even from Africa to Eastern Australia goes no where near the Antarctic land mass. The only other “direct” flight that would pass over the South Pole would be from Africa to New Zealand, but as there are only 4.5 million here (in NZ), those direct flights don’t exist SIMPLY because they would run at a loss to the airlines. So they collect and drop passengers at either Australia, or S.A if going the other way. Madhudvisa mentioned air streams, YES! (please FEers read and take this info into high consideration…. if possible for you?), for anyone interested, have a look at this interactive map (below). Now… please all think logically, would you fly the plane against the wind, therefore using more fuel and taking longer, or divert and fly with the direction of the stream? I hear read this blab by FEers is no diff to crashing in the sea, compared to Antarctic, um yes there is… Do some research into shipping, sure both most likely would disastrous, but rescue is more probable anywhere oceanic, compared to mid Antarctic which is a MASSIVE continent. I would rather take odds of ditching in the Southern ocean and been in a lifeboat for a few days.

    https://earth.nullschool.net/?fbclid=IwAR3eAml0C_qWwNElX13GFl1MyzdLbGDFKR5jYIP7mLqdr5u-P0WeuKb7OfM#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=55.68,276.50,284

  5. no

    I have flown too Europe to australia quite a lot, and can tel you went no where near the arctic as would be the fastest route on a airplaine. I dont really think there are many people that are acutally flat earthers just people that like to be contary, and those who like the mental challenge of trying to make it fit the observed facts, PS i remember watching live sporting events in the northern hemishpere live at the same local time as where i live in the southern hemisphere

    • madhudvisa

      The problem is the time it takes, on flat earth map it is very, very far, one side of the flat earth to the other, would take 24 hours or so, but flight only actually takes 8 hours…

  6. Peter Prevos

    The difference in the routes is easily explained because both maps use a different projection method. Both curves are a straight line on a 3-dimensional globe.

  7. H g dave

    If it was flat I could see Mount Everest from Anywhere on Earth based on its height and altitude from sea level and if Sun was moving while earth stationary as flat theorists suggest then Moon will not have phases of light

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