Flat Earthers don’t look at the Sky — Video
The Globe earth idea has given us a very good scientific predictive model that, for the most part, accurately predicts and explains the things we observe happening in the sky above us. On the other hand it seems believers in the flat earth have not even looked up into the sky and have no way of explaining most of the things we see in the sky based on a model where the earth is a flat plane.
Typically if you question a flat earther on these things they will say, “l don’t know, i don’t have any model” but “The earth is definitely flat.”
So it is very difficult for scientifically minded people to discuss with flat earth people. The scientist will ask the flat earthier, “how does it work, what’s your model?” The flat earther replies “I don’t know how it works and we don’t have a model. But we know the earth is flat.”
So there is currently no scientific predictive model, based on a flat earth, that can predict and explain the things we see happening in the sky above us.
The contradictions and problems for the flat earthers are greatly magnified in the Southern Hemisphere. In many ways the sky in the Northern Hemisphere would be similar on a flat or globe earth. However, the Southern sky should be completely different on a flat earth to what would expect to see from a globe.
I don’t know for sure that the actual workings of the universe really correspond to the globe model, however, it is a beautiful model and it enables us to grasp what may be happening above us and gives simple, logical and scientific explanations.
According to the globe earth model earth is a globe spinning on a tilted axis once every 24 hours and rotating around the sun once every 365 days. The other planets in our solar system are also rotating around the sun and our solar system is surrounded in all directions by a background of relatively stationary stars. So, according to the globe earth theory, the rising and setting of the sun, moon, planets and stars is caused by the daily rotation of the earth. As the earth rotates we get a different view of the stationary starry background and the sun, moon and planets will appear in different places in relation to this stationary background depending on their current position in relation to earth. This simple explanation really does explain most of the things we see happening in the sky, sometimes in quite beautiful ways.
For example for centuries navigators on the oceans have used the North and South celestial poles for determining their location. If you are at the North or South Pole you will find the North or South celestial pole directly overhead. That means the polestar in the North and the Southern Celestial Pole, which can be easily located in the South because the Southern Cross constellation points to it and rotates around it. So as you move away from the North or South Pole towards the equator for every degree of latitude you travel the Pole will drop in the sky by one degree and when you reach the equator the poles will be at the horizon. So this type of behavior of the celestial poles is exactly what we would expect on a globe spinning in space.
A couple of years ago there were many flat earthers claiming there is no Southern Celestial Pole. Because on a flat earth there would be no reason to imagine one could exist. On the globe earth model the Southern Celestial Pole is presumed to be created by the rotation of the earth, in the same way as the Northern Celestial Pole is created. But if the earth was flat with the stars rotating around a central polestar, how could there be a Southern Celestial Pole?
Also if the earth is a flat circular plane with the North Pole Star above the center and you go out to the equator and look back to the center you will see the Pole Star up in the sky, not down at the horizon, as we experience in reality.
For the benefit of those who are in the Northern Hemisphere, I grew up in Australia and have been looking at the stars since I was a boy and I can attest to the fact that we have a Southern Celestial Pole that works exactly the same way as the Northern Celestial Pole except we don’t have a bright Southern Pole Star. Still there is a very clear point in the South which the stars rotate around.
So in this video we have covered two points which are very nicely explained by the globe earth model but can not be explained by the flat earth model, that is the movement of the Celestial Poles in the sky as one moves around the curve of the earth and the existence of a Southern Celestial Pole, similar to the Northern Celestial Pole.
So if the flat earthers want to be taken seriously they have to give us a valid, working, predictive scientific model that, using the premise that the earth is flat, is able to predict and explain the things we see happening around us and in the sky.
If they can not explain how a flat earth could produce the things we see happening in the sky every day, how can they expect thoughtful scientific people to even consider their theory? What is the value of a theory if it can’t predict and explain the things we see happening around us?
13 Replies to “Flat Earthers don’t look at the Sky — Video”
You do realize just about everything you said about proofs can be said the same about you ?
Discussing anything with a globe model vs a flat earth model, globe proponents become intellectual vacant imbeciles and thats being nice.
I do find that globe proponents get so easily unhinged. Its amusing. That’s not to say some flat earth proponents get unhinged as well.
This is bullshit flat earth explains everything that is positive explain. The fact is no one knows what the stars are if they were suns they wouldn’t flicker and change colour. And if the earth is round then it has two sides, so how can everyone in the world see the same stars at the same time?
We don’t see the same stars in Australia as you see in the United States William. We can see some of the same stars, but it is consistent with the globe earth model, viewing a star field around a globe. Not at all consistent with a flat earth. If the earth were flat we would be able to see the polestar from everywhere, but when you get to the equator, polestar is down at the horizon, something we would expect on a globe, but would seem to be impossible on a flat earth.
“144) Pictures of the Moon appearing upside-down in the Southern hemisphere and right-side up in the North are often cited as proof of the ball-Earth, but once again, upon closer inspection, provide another proof of the flat model. In fact, time-lapse photography shows the Moon itself turns clockwise like a wheel as it circles over and around the Earth. You can find pictures of the Moon at 360 degrees of various inclination from all over the Earth simply depending on where and when the picture was taken.”
On the level, with all due respects, Eric Dubay speaks without thinking, he says so many completely stupid things, and you, his flat-earth followers, just blindly believe anything he says.
The moon appears in the sky EXACTLY as we would expect it to if we were on a spinning ball. There is no way to explain the way the moon looks, that I am aware of anyhow, if we were on a flat plane.
The moon is not upside down in the southern hemisphere. It is exactly the same as in the Northern Hemispere.
Compare Full moon rising in Sydney:
With Full moon rising in Los Angeles:
It’s exactly the same, not upside down at all.
Now compere with Full Moon Setting in Sydney:
and Full Moon setting in Los Angeles:
Again the same, but now upside down compared to full moon rising.
And if you were to travel to any part of the world and view the moon you could see it in any rotational position depending on where you are positioned on the globe.
So it is not the moon that is rotating. Because we can see the moon in any desired orientation at any time just by traveling to the right point on the globe…
It is your position on the globe that causes you to see the different rotational position of the moon.
Now this could be caused by some other reason, but it is EXACTLY what we would expect to see, viewing the moon from a rotating earth.
So it might be different, but this observation is TOTALLY in accord with what the globe earth model predicts and TOTALLY impossible to conceive how it could be so if we were on a flat plane.
That is why I say flat earthers don’t look at the sky. Or at least they are not capible of thinking about what they see in the sky.
“The moon appears in the sky EXACTLY as we would expect it to if we were on a spinning ball. There is no way to explain the way the moon looks, that I am aware of anyhow, if we were on a flat plane.
The moon is not upside down in the southern hemisphere. It is exactly the same as in the Northern Hemispere.”
Neither I nor Eric Dubai claimed the moon was upside down. With all due respect this seems like a smear. Eric was answering a charge from those claiming the moon appears upside down.
“And if you were to travel to any part of the world and view the moon you could see it in any rotational position depending on where you are positioned on the globe.
So it is not the moon that is rotating. Because we can see the moon in any desired orientation at any time just by traveling to the right point on the globe…
It is your position on the globe that causes you to see the different rotational position of the moon.”
I agree absolutely with your first statement. You can see the moon in any position anywhere in the world precisely because the moon rotates or often simply by changing your viewing position as shown in the linked equatorial video!
Your second statement seems to contradict the first. You don’t have to travel all over the world to see the moon in various positions. As you indicated it’s the same in LA or Sidney. By the way, there is time lapse video of the moon rotating , it’s on the internet and I will get it for you.
For clarification we only see one face of the moon and always the same features. This seems impossible if the moon is a ball, whether Earth is flat or a globe. We should definitely observe a different parts of the moon from either northern or southern extremity or the equator.
The fact that we can see the moon in any desired position does not change or detract from the fact the moon rotates.
Hi On the Level. The moon appears to rotate of course. But it does not actually rotate. Because my point is you can view the moon from different parts of the earth globe and according to your position on the globe related to the moon you can see the moon in all its rotational positions at the same time from different parts of the earth. So that disproves the “moon rotating” mistaken incorrect statement of Eric Dubay. So yes, of course you can take a video of the moon rotating. If you were to have your camera tracking the moon as it rises in the east and sets in the west you will see it rotate 180 degrees. But that is not the moon rotating. It is just because of the way you are looking at it.
If you think about it as the moon rises you see the top of the moon peaking over the eastern horizen, so that is the top of the moon, but as the earth rotates the moon moves above our heads and when the moon is about to set in the west that same top of the moon that we saw rising is now on the bottom of the moon and about to set.
So this is absolutely completely what we would expect to see from a rotating globe earth viewing the moon. However this behavior of the moon can not be explained, at least not that I am aware of, if we were on a flat plane.
As far as seeing only one face of the moon, yes, the moon must rotate keeping that face always facing the earth. The proof of the moon being a ball is how the light of the sun is being reflected off it. If you will notice the shape of the illuminated areas of the moon indicate the shape of the moon is a globe. If the moon was a flat disk the reflections of the sun on it could not possibly be as they are.
So the conclusion, or speculation if you like, that the moon is a globe that is rotating and keeping one face always towards the earth, that is a valid theory that is supported by our observations.
So the point is the globe earth theory gives reasonable and logical explanations for all these things that may well be correct, still may be not correct also, but the point is they have a reasonable logical explanation, a model that works. But flat earthers have no idea at all, no theory, no understanding, how the moon could exhibit this appearance, if the earth were a flat plane.
“The moon appears to rotate of course. But it does not actually rotate.”
Think about what you wrote. We only have observational account ( i.e. factual evidence ) of one object moving. The moon. No evidence of the Earth moving at all. Therefore, the only scientifically valid explanation is that the moon rotates relative to whatever position we view it from.
“If you were to have your camera tracking the moon as it rises in the east and sets in the west you will see it rotate 180 degrees. But that is not the moon rotating. It is just because of the way you are looking at it.”
Motion in this sense is relative. Agreed, the moon rotates relative to our apparent position. This occurs on both a flat Earth or supposed ball Earth. On Flat Earth sun and moon circle over head on a globe their supposed to orbit around a ball.
“So the point is the globe earth theory gives reasonable and logical explanations for all these things that may well be correct, still may be not correct also, but the point is they have a reasonable logical explanation, a model that works. But flat earthers have no idea at all, no theory, no understanding, how the moon could exhibit this appearance, if the earth were a flat plane.”
No. They have a quasi-consistent fantasm. They have really no plausible explanation as to why the supposed lunar axis of spin is the Earth’s ( aka orbital lock ) or how by miraculous chance the apparent Lunar angular size as viewed from Earth precisely matches the Sun. Nor can they explain, despite speculatively moving the lunar object a quarter of a million miles away from Earth, how the same Lunar surface face is seen from all Earth locations. This problem exists for flat Earthers as well. Some even suggest the moon is a hologram. The problem compounds for globist since they often insist all the miraculous coincidences occur by random chance.
To be fair to you, the Flat Earth position is not a working mechanism. Nor can anyone possibly provide one outside of divine revelation because it is impossible to understand anything competently unless one can measure it. No one can measure let alone carefully examine the phenomenon discussed. Has anyone you know of measured the distance to any celestial body? The only ones loony ( not accidental ) enough to claim any such kind of similar feet was NASA, but they conveniently lost all their data/evidence. They magically retained supposedly just enough smarts in their noggins to commandeer 54 million US tax dollars. In return, the world gets a steady stream of cgi cartoons of the supposed ball Earth, International Fake Station and the occasional supersonic tic/tac, TRSB or UFO to help sell some delusional desire to keep funding them and their mythological nonsense.
However, you should re-examine your infatuation with the globe model. The entire Newtonian model it’s based on was derided by the very same Newton as being fit only for those apparently without a rational thinking faculty.
BTW, I do actually agree with you in part regarding the moon. If one holds say a golf ball up to the sunlight it reflects a similar reflective pattern and terminator line as the moon and is highly suggestive of a globular or semi-globular surface. This likely holds for other celestial bodies as well.
Of course the moon is rotating so it always shows the same face to the earth, and how it does this, that is not so clear in the globe earth model.
But somehow you always miss the point. The proof that the moon is not rotating as you see it rise and set upside down, is you can see it at the same time, from different parts of the earth, in all the rotational positions. So it is not rotating.
It is that you are viewing the same moon from the different positions on the globe and can see the moon in all positions just by moving around the globe, and as the globe rotates you will see the moon rotate.
The moon behaves exactly as we would expect it to if we were on a rotating globe and there is no way of explaining this behavior of the moon on a flat plane. If you were on a flat plane you would see the moon in the same position from everywhere. And if it rotated you would see the same rotation everywhere.
So this behavior of the moon is exactly what we would expect on a globe, and very difficult to imagine how it could happen on a flat earth.
Yes. Rotation of the moon is strange, the tidal lock. There are many small points in the globe earth model that are not fully understood. But my point is they have got a model, an understanding, how it works, which is quite accurate at explaining and predicting our observations. Yes. You can find little things to complain about here and there, but overall it is a very good model.
Flat earth people, they don’t even have a model.
So my suggestion to you would be to think about it and present a working flat earth model that explains everything at least as well as the globe earth model does. That is what you need. Otherwise, just believing the earth is flat based on nothing, no evidence, no model, no understanding how it could work if the earth were a flat plane, that is insanity really.
Well done. You’ve proven what exactly ? You don’t really need to go out of your way to prove the globe model, I think it’s an already accepted theory….and since your side has all the satellites maybe you could finally get one of them to turn around and get a live feed of earth…how cool would it be to see people walking upside down. A couple of things ..first. in space we “float” as low as the ISS , however it’s common knowledge that satellites fall back to earth’s
It’s well known satellites fall back to earth…my question is how does a satellite unfloat…how do things decide they are no longer subjected to that system their in.
Lastly is we can go Halfway Around the World roughly 12500 miles and see difference of stars and constellations. yet, going all the way to the other side of the sun which is 196 million miles you see the same Stars)Then factor in Earth moves 584 million miles a year times that by 4.5 billion years but yet we still have the same stars above the pyramids
Hi Russell. I’m not on any side, not on the globe side nor on the flat earth side. I have seen enough to consider the possibility that the globe earth model may be quite incorrect in even its fundamental assumptions, however, we have to be honest. The truth is the globe earth people, they have got a valid scientific model. If you ask the globe earth people how things work, they can give you a reasonable logical answer which is consistent with our actual observations.
Flat earth people, on the other hand, have no model, nothing they agree on actually, and if you ask them to explain something they can’t. They can’t give any working model that makes accurate predictions confirmed by our actual observations based on the presumption that the earth is a flat plane. So that is the problem. There is no competition here. The globe earth people have got a real working practical scientific predictive model, and the flat earthers have nothing.
So I am open to the possibility that there may be errors in the globe earth model, even that major assumptions of the globe earth model, like the earth is a globe even, might be incorrect. But the point is assuming the earth is a globe they have been able to produce a model that very accurately predicts our actual observations.
So to compete with the globe earth model flat earth people would also have to come up with a working vald scientific model that accurately predicts our observations, presuming the earth is a flat plane. But they have not been able to do that.
So at this point the globe earthers are accepting their thesis based on it being confirmed by actual observations, but the belief in the flat earth is currently irrational, as there is not currently any rational explanation that can explain our actual observations presuming the earth to be a flat plane.
Except for the whole water ball flying through space at incredible speeds …584 million miles a year… multiply that by 4.5 billion and viola!!
Same constellations as ALWAYS.
Your model….its taking up space I’m my trash
It is known that the Antikythera mechanism, from 60 B.C. based upon the epicyclic motion was accurate in predicting eclipses to the hour. It was a geocentric model and was as accurate as anything we currently have.
The hubris of modern day astrophysics and astronomy is mind bending, replacing the epicycles and the harmonious undulations of the heavenly spheres with gravitational fields (what is mass?) and ellipses.
The ancients had a better understanding of the universe than we do. Due in large part to our advanced materials science, we have made the false assumption that our model of the universe is an edifice of solid fact, when it relies on pseudo scientific theories such as red shift, dark matter, and gravity.