Missing GPS Data Proves Flat Earth?
Every day thousands of passengers are traveling to and from destinations in the Southern Hemisphere and reaching their destinations successfully. These flights would not be possible on the flat earth map so flat earthers try very hard to prove they do not exist.
Southern Flights DO Exist
I have personally recently flown from New Zealand to Auckland in a little over eleven hours. To do this on the flat earth map one would need to travel at more than twice the speed of sound for the entire journey. We were obviously not doing this. There is a loud explosion, a sonic boom which occurs when the plane breaks the sound barrier, starts traveling at more than the speed of sound, so this sonic boom can not be hidden.
Flat Earthers don’t understand how Flight Tracking Websites work.
Flat earthers claim that because GPS data is missing from online flight tracking services in many cases for these flights in the Southern Hemisphere it is an indication of some cheating. The GPS data is being hidden, they say, to cover up the fact that the flight is actually not traveling directly because it would not be possible on their flat earth map.
This is again an example of flat earthers not knowing how things work.
How Flight Tracking Websites Work
The GPS tracking information displayed on these websites which track the location of the airplanes is not coming from the GPS system. GPS is a system of transmitters only. These transmitters are mounted on low earth orbit satellites. The GPS satellites and the GPS receivers all have very accurate clocks which are exactly synchronized. The GPS satellite transmits a radio signal that contains its exact location and the exact time of the transmission. The GPS receiver receives the signal, reads the timecode and location in the message and subtracts the time in the message from the current time and gets the exact time it took for the message to travel from the GPS satellite to the GPS receiver. So knowing the position of the satellite and the time it took for the message to be received after transmission it can calculate the exact distance from that GPS satellite’s location to the GPS receiver. So the receiver keeps on doing this with multiple GPS satellites until it has enough points to reliably triangulate its location.
So there is no transmission of any data to the GPS satellites. GPS satellites only transmit and all they transmit is their location and the exact time. So the GPS system does not know the location of anything at all.
So these websites are not getting the location of the planes from the GPS system. The GPS receivers in the planes are calculating their location based on the signals they receive from the GPS satellites. The GPS system and the GPS satellites have no idea at all where any of the airplanes are. Only the GPS receiver in the plane is able to calculate where it is. And all airplanes are required to transmit by radio their location and identity in a standard format which is used by radar systems to identify the blips on the radar screens as specific airplanes.
So the only way these websites can know the location of a particular airplane is by being connected to a radio receiver that can pick up the transmission of this location and identification radio signal being constantly broadcast by the airplane. In the Northern Hemisphere there is land nearby almost all the flight routes so people, government authorities, anyone at all actually, can set up a radio receiver and monitor the channels which the airplanes are transmitting their identification and GPS coordinates on and they share this information on the internet and that is the way these GPS flight tracking websites get the location data of the planes they track. For them to get the data there has to be a radio receiver near enough to the airplane which is on their network that can pick up the radio signal from the plane and post the identity and GPS coordinates of that plane onto their network. But in the Southern Hemisphere these flights are all traveling over the ocean from almost 100% of the flight. There is nothing but ocean below and no possibility of anyone setting up a radio receiver in the middle of the ocean to pick up the GPS and location information from the plane and post it on the internet.
So this is the reason the GPS tracking data is missing for most of the Southern flights. There are no radio receivers in the middle of the ocean to pick it up.
So the missing data is not a conspiracy or an attempt to hide the actual flight path, it is just that there are no radio receivers in the middle of the ocean to pick up that data and post it on the internet.
Great write-up! That was a very succinct explanation of the systems involved. Are airlines considering equipping each plane with a satellite transmission of each plane’s location to remove the void spots?
Hi Adam
The airplanes already have a system that transmits their location and also all sorts of other telemetry on how the various systems of the plane are working to satellites. I don’t know a lot about it but from what I have gathered this is a commercial system and they send the information to, for example, the manufacturers of the engines, so they can monitor how the engines are performing, etc.
So the airplanes are also transmitting their GPS coordinates to this satellite system, but it is not publicly available.
All the planes are also transmitting their identification and coordinates on a public system that is originally designed to enable radar to identify the blip on the screen with an actual airplane and flight number. So the transmission of this information is designed to be in the range of the radar, which also I am not sure, but it is like 100 miles or a couple of hundred miles.
So it seems the satellite transmission of the location of the planes is already happening, but that data does not seem to be available to the operators of these airplane tracking websites.
It’s ignorant to say that a flight is not possible on a flat earth! You haven’t explained away anything.
I have GPS flight data from flights over Antarctica. I also wrote software to analyse the data using both the globe and flat earth model. The software calculates the speed and accelerations from the recorded data points. It turns out that, if we assume the data was recorded on a flat earth, the speeds in turned changed between 620 km/h and 4200 km/h in one minute. The accelerations in curves would have exceeded 3.6 G. On the globe mode the speeds are constant 620 km/h and the accelerations in curves 1.2 G.
So that’s why flights on the FE are impossible. Here is my analysis software and data on my website:
http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=GPS+Flight+Data+and+the+Shape+of+the+Earth
“It turns out that, if we assume the data was recorded on a flat earth, the speeds in turned changed between 620 km/h and 4200 km/h in one minute. The accelerations in curves would have exceeded 3.6 G. On the globe mode the speeds are constant 620 km/h and the accelerations in curves 1.2 G.”
Since location and relative distances between land masses remain in question, you can only at best provide data about some flat earth model contrived in your head not the terrain. You haven’t disproved anything.
Moreover, you should specify assumptions made in both GPS and flat earth models. Absent that your entire post is mere opinion.
Thanks.
He is using your flat earth map On The Level. So you have to admit that this flight proves that the generally accepted flat earth map is impossible, incorrect, wrong.
FEF,
You might find the following video on flat earth maps many prior to 17th century interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2zlL-8CCYM
Hi On the Level. Yes. Vedic concept is that there is a central mountain of gold, Mt Meru, and surrounding Mt Meru there are islands, and around the whole thing big mountain range. It appears that Mt Meru should be at the North Pole. Possible it may be somewhere else. But most people conclude it should be at the North Pole and this same concept, as the video explains, is present in many ancient cultures.
FEF,
Many past observers claimed Mt. Meru was made of magnetite, more commonly known as loadstone. Which explains the apparent fact that magnetic compasses point North. It was first discovered by Chinese if I remember correctly on the Island of Magnesia.
Mt Meru is made of gold, according to our information.
“He is using your flat earth map On The Level”
FEF, I must take issue with this claim of yours. The map Walter’s site references is just a variant of the Polar Azimuthal Equidistant ( PAE ) Projection. These variants include Gleason’s map, Ice Wall map, UN, AEP and others. They often simply take a globe map and re-project it unto a flat surface using an imaginary North pole reference. Note: I say re-project since globe data is taken from flat maps and projected unto a globe. They all have in common that they’re wrong. Each such projection effort simply magnifies errors. So while I disagree with your statement above I whole heartedly agree with your statement “the generally accepted flat earth map is impossible, incorrect, wrong.”
Never claimed otherwise since it’s contaminated with globists assumptions.
Remember these projection maps ( if you can call them that ) only claim to accurately portray distance from supposed North pole to any point on Earth ( latitude ) which in my view is dubious and everything else is a crap shoot.
Please note the following I distortions:
Just a correction to my post below. Canada isn’t much bigger than the US or Australia and Iceland is only a little larger than Texas apparently. In any case even globe maps have problems.
What we’ve been fed from map makers is not great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVczQnDYVLQ
1. Massive Australia. Gleason’s map apparently shows E-W 8700 km & N-S 3200 km. Google Earth supposedly claims E-W 3700 km but the same N-S 3200 km. This all results from the stupid projection effort. As mentioned countless times and I’ve not disagreed the longitudinal dimensions span out and magnify on flat earth projection maps distorting anyone silly enough to try and use such globular assumptions on a flat plane.
2. Tiny North America, North Euro-Asia and Arctic regions. If you rely on PAE projections Canada and the polar regions are tiny blots dwarfed by giant Australia. Quite the opposite is TRUE. Australia is roughly the length and breadth of the continental US and Canada dwarfs them both.
The Arctic region from my guesstimates is circled by at least 3 large continents and 2 oceans and likely at least 14-15k miles in circumference and/or 2300-2400 miles in radius. Quite a lot of land can definitely fit there.
3. Massive South America. Look at Walter’s link. South America appears as large as Africa, complete fiction.
Imo, these map distortions cannot be accidents and mere errors don’t you agree?
Hm. Globe is not a projection. If the earth is a globe then you don’t have to project it on a globe. Projection means you have something which is one shape and you have to try and display it on a medium that is another shape, like a globe on flat piece of paper, for example. So you have to come up with projections, ways you can project the globe and represent it on a flat piece of paper. And this projection process will mean you have to distort the shapes of the continents and/or their relative distances to project them onto a flat plane.
But if you represent a globe on a globe it should be exactly correct, unless they make a mistake, everything will be in the correct place and everything will be the correct size, shape and distance apart.
If this is not the case then that is an indication it is not a globe.
You are really totally missing the point here… What the video is saying is there are massive problems with the relative sizes of the continents on the flat paper maps. But there has to be. You can not correctly display the continents on a globe on a flat piece of paper. It is simply not possible.
However you can correctly display the continents of a globe on a globe. And I have not seen anyone claiming a properly made globe earth has got continents that are incorrectly sized? That is the point you have to check.
Forget about flat maps. When you are trying to present a globe on a flat map it ALWAYS HAS TO BE WRONG.
But globes, if they are properly made, they will be correct.
So that we can display the continents in their proper sizes and proportions on a globe, and not on a flat piece of paper, it is quite a strong indication that we might be on a globe.
“But globes, if they are properly made, they will be correct.
So that we can display the continents in their proper sizes and proportions on a globe, and not on a flat piece of paper, it is quite a strong indication that we might be on a globe.”
This presumes the globes present the continents in their proper proportions. If they do why are they not used in navigation in place of maps?
Moreover, where is photographic evidence of curvature outside of fish-eye lens photographs. The following link has interesting interpretation.
https://www.boredpanda.com/lake-michigan-curvature-flat-earth-gregpagel/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic
Globes are not practical for navigation On The Level. You need to plot directions. So on a globe you can not measure an angle to set your direction. The advantage of the flat earth map is you can measure the angle on it and sail in that direction and you will reach the place you have measured that angle to on the map. Very hard to measure an angle on a globe.
There should never be any visible curvature as you are rising up from a globe of 8,000 miles in diameter. If you think about it the horizon will always be at the same distance from your eyes. You will never see a curve, even if it is a globe. The horizon should gradually drop, but you will never see a curve. If you get far enough away gradually you would see the edges, then gradually the whole ball, but you would have to be thousands of miles up. We are only getting up 100 miles, at the most hundreds of miles, not thousands of miles.
So even if it is a globe we would not expect to see any curvature. Just the horizon dropping gradually. So not seeing a curve does not prove the earth is flat, we would not expect to see anything else on a globe except a flat horizon, unless we can get up thousands of miles.
ive never met a flat earther who actually believed these flights dont exist or tried to prove it. the only people ive met like that are like that are the fake ass flat earthers from govt ran eric dubay shit internet site. NEVER in real life. and i go to flat earth conventions.
also, never met a flat earther that thought earth was a circle. gleason disk is flight map, not earth map.
Like Nassa lies about Landing on thr MOON,and traviling in outer space ans so on>
You travelled from New Zealand to New Zealand in 11 hours, you wrote. That can’t be by plane. You must have been on a bus. “I have personally recently flown from New Zealand to Auckland in a little over eleven hours. “
Yes, I think you know where I travelled. If you read the article it will be obvious that I travelled from Auckland, New Zealand to Buenos Aires in Argentina and then later on returned to Auckland.