# Scientific experiments prove flat earth

Over the years scientists have formulated a number of experiments attempting to prove the earth is moving and measure its movement. So far all such attempts have failed and they have not been able to prove the earth is moving or measure the movement.

Conclusion: While this does not prove the earth is flat it does give a strong indication that the earth is not moving, and as the flat earthers claim the earth is stationary this does support the flat earth model.

# Supporting Flat Earth Proofs

• 16) The experiment known as “Airy’s Failure” proved that the stars move relative to a stationary Earth and not the other way around.
• 17) “Olber’s Paradox” states that if there were billions of stars which are suns the night sky would be filled completely with light.
• 18) The Michelson-Morley and Sagnac experiments attempted to measure the change in speed of light due to Earth’s assumed motion through space. After measuring in every possible different direction in various locations they failed to detect any significant change.
• 140) Foucault’s Pendulums are often quoted as proof of a rotating Earth but upon closer investigation prove the opposite. To begin with, Foucault’s pendulums do not uniformly swing in any one direction. Sometimes they rotate clockwise and sometimes counter-clockwise, sometimes they fail to rotate and sometimes they rotate far too much. The behavior of the pendulum actually depends on 1) the initial force beginning its swing and, 2) the ball-and-socket joint used which most-readily facilitates circular motion over any other. The supposed rotation of the Earth is completely inconsequential and irrelevant to the pendulum’s swing. If the alleged constant rotation of the Earth affected pendulums in any way, then there should be no need to manually start pendulums in motion. If the Earth’s diurnal rotation caused the 360 degree uniform diurnal rotation of pendulums, then there should not exist a stationary pendulum anywhere on Earth!
• 141) The “Coriolis Effect” is often said to cause sinks and toilet bowls in the Northern Hemisphere to drain spinning in one direction while in the Southern Hemisphere causing them to spin the opposite way, thus providing proof of the spinning ball-Earth. Once again, however, just like Foucault’s Pendulums spinning either which way, sinks and toilets in the Northern and Southern hemispheres do not consistently spin in any one direction!
• 187) The second law of thermodynamics, otherwise known as the law of entropy, along with the fundamental principles of friction/resistance determine the impossibility of Earth being a uniformly spinning ball. Over time, the spinning ball Earth would experience measurable amounts of drag constantly slowing the spin and lengthening the amount of hours per day. As not the slightest such change has ever been observed in all of recorded history it is absurd to assume the Earth has ever moved an inch.

## 45 Replies to “Scientific experiments prove flat earth”

1. Ted Rozenfelds

The length of day DID used to be longer. The internal body clock of humans is set to a 25 hour day as an evolutionary leftover of mammals experiencing longer days in the far past.
Also Foucault’s Pendulum MUST be set in action as it’s mass is already moving with the rotation of the Earth, so a force is required to accelerate or decelerate it relative to the direction of the surface of the earth.
The Michelson-Morley experiment was done to test for an ‘aether, which it did not find, not for the rotation of the Earth. This is regularly and knowingly misreferred to, so must be put down to intellectual dishonesty by now. Plus no ‘aether’ means shielding a gyroscope won’t prevent it finding the 15 degrees rotation per hour predicted by the globe model, as flat earthers all know by now.

• Doc Math

How idiotic!
Start here…
A CHALLENGE TO PROFESSORS, SCIENTISTS, PHYSICIST’S and generally delusional globe believers…
Photograph and photoshop are 2 different things.
The 1st is real, the 2nd is Computer generated.
NASA utilizes 100% CGI for ALL of their published images as do ALL other space agencies so please don’t waste time with using this as proof or ANY other military or deceptively claimed  to be private agency as follows…
China National Space Administration (CNSA)
European Space Agency (ESA)
Russian Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos)
Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO)
Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA)
German Aerospace Center (DLR)
Italian Space Agency (ASI)
National Centre for Space Studies (France)
Canadian Space Agency
SpaceX.
Further, Images taken with a fisheye lens ARE NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING AND WON’T BE CONSIDERED.
I will gladly debate AFTER scientific proof of a spinning ball earth. My qualifications, (or lack thereof)…
I’ve worked as a college professor and have over 3 years of research on the topic of Cosmology. I work as an advanced robotic systems programmer/analyst with a background in computer science with emphasis on automotive assembly line controls engineering and throughput enhancement. I’ve installed entire assembly lines for G.M., Ford, Diamler-Chrysler, NIssan, Toyota, and Auto-Alliance/Mazda and have worked under direct employ of G.M Cadillac and Diamler as Systems Analyst.
1st, I require prior to debate scientific proof of the following…
1. Curvature of the earth at 8 inches per mile SQUARED as specified in the Pythagoras Theorem, (To date has NEVER been done.)
2. Proof of the earths motion as proven to be false in the Michelson-Morley experiment and many others.
3. (optional) Proof of Einsteins theory of E=Mc2 which was originally designed to prove the Heliocentric model.
If you truly believe in your education and can backup your cosmology/physics and astronomy I’m Here for you to completely humiliate! Just think of the fun you’ll have making me look like a total IMBECILE??, AND HOW COOL YOU’LL LOOK TO YOUR PEERS????
https://www.britannica.com/science/Michelson-Morley-experiment

• Flat Earth Facts

Yes. Interesting. As far as I have seen there is no absolute proof we are on a spinning ball in space. However we have to admit they have given a very good theory and explanation as to how it could be that we are on a spinning ball in space. And there is no competing theory, there is no alternative.

So my suspicion, as you are a very intelligent scientific minded persin, is your energy would be better served by proposing a working predictive scientific model that works at least as well as the globe earth model with a starting premise which is something different from a spinning ball in space.

That is the missing link here. Sure we can prove certain aspects of the globe earth model have flaws, and there are flaws in the globe earth model, there are some inconsistencies in our observations that may cause us to question the globe earth model. But there is no other working model.

You say the earth is flat, so the responsibility should be on you to explain clearly, logically and scientifically how us being on a flat plane can produce the things we see happening around us. You need a model, a working predictive scientific model, like the one the globe earthers have, but one based on a different premise. That is missing for the flat earthers, and if you can come up with such a valid working predictive scientific model on the premise that the earth is flat that explains everything we see happening in the sky, that explains the changing lengths of day and night, the seasons, the phases of the moon, the solar and lunar eclipses, etc, etc, then you have got something to contribute.

Just trying to fault small aspects of the globe earth model is more-or-less pointless if you do not have an alternative model to offer.

• On the level

You present a challenge Flat Earth Facts. One phenomenon supposedly unexplained by Flat Earth Model is the Southern celestial Pole star field rotation.

** lots of rubbish snipped **

Thanks.

• Flat Earth Facts

This is not the place, On the Level, for linking to absolute rubbish that does not explain anything at all.

Flat earthers seem to be like that. Someone makes a video and speaks some big words and total nonsense and all flat earthers believe it, but of course have no idea at all what he said…

You, flat earthers, can not even explain the Northern Hemisphere sky, what to speak of the Southern Hemisphere.

You can not explain the phases of the moon for example. What we observe is totally impossible with your same sized sun and moon rotating around a few thousand miles up. You can not explain, as I already pointed out, how it is that as you travel from the north towards the equator for every degree of latitude you travel the polestar with drop one degree in the sky. That is what would happen if we were on a globe. You can not explain the totally different view of the stars as we travel around the globe. At the poles you look up and see the stars all going around a central point, at the equator we see in the center of the sky everything rising from the east and moving across the sky in a straight line and setting in the south as if we were on the equator of a spinning ball looking up. This sort of display in the sky is exactly what we would expect on a globe, but not something we can conceive of observing from a flat plane. By moving from the poles to the equator our view of the sky is rotated 45 degrees. Anyone can see that. And if you walk from the pole of a globe to the equator of a globe then your viewpoint of the sky has rotated 45 degrees.

It seems impossible to rotate the view we have of the sky by 45 degrees simply by moving along a flat plane. And if you are going to be taken serious you have to explain how this change in our view of the sky, rotating it by 45 degrees, could possible happen simply by moving along a flat plane.

So you can not explain what we see, even in the Northern Hemisphere, presuming the earth is a flat plane. That is why I say flat earthers do not look at the sky.

This is not a place, as I have said often, for the true believers in the flat earth or the true believers in the globe. So it is not a place for you. It is a place for the few people who are prepared to think outside the box.

We have got two camps here, the flat earth camp and the globe earth camp. So we are trying to investigate the truth and finding the truth means you have to be prepared to admit firstly that you do not know the truth, and secondly that some or many of the ideas you currently hold may be incorrect.

There is no flat earth model, you people have no idea at all, no conception as to how it could work if we were on a flat plane. You just have some sentimental idea which has no basis whatsoever in science, logic or anything at all.

You can not argue for something that you have no idea how it could possibly work, and that is your position. You have no idea at all how the things we observe could be produced if the earth was flat, you can not draw a map that accurately depicts the real measurable distances we can easily test on this planet that will fit on a flat plane. So you have to get a valid map that matches our observable, measurable reality, you have to be able to explain the sky, even the Northern Hemisphere. Otherwise no thoughtful person can take it seriously.

In fact no thoughtful, intelligent person can take the flat earth idea seriously because you can not explain how the earth could be flat and at the same time produce the observations that we make every day.

• Flat Earth Facts

As far as the moon, think about your flat earth system, we could never see a full moon with your system. In your system moon would at the most be only ever half illuminated. The thing is NOTHING the flat earth people say actually works if you test it to see if it would produce the actual observations that we experience. It it total rubbish, at least what has been presented so far, and no thoughtful person could believe it.

• On the level

Doc Math,

Great post. Thank you for the link clearly showing that Michelson-Morley did not disprove luminiferous ether because experiment assumes Earth movement. Some still don’t get it.

• hschuring

As a college professor in any scientific discipline you ought to know that scientists cannot prove anything. (accept in mathematics). A scientific model or hypothesis is based upon observational evidence and should be able to predict future observations. Every time these predictions are being confirmed the hypothesis becomes more likely to be true, but will in principle never be proven. When the evidence becomes so compelling that no scientist in the field has any doubts about the idea, the hypothesis becomes a scientific theory. Which still not means that it will never be disproven, or updated or improved or extended, when new evidence turns up.
So what kind of evidence would you consider to be sufficient for the curvature of the Earth?

• Flat Earth Facts

“you ought to know that scientists cannot prove anything…” And then “what kind of evidence would you consider to be sufficient for the curvature of the Earth…”

I think you may be slightly crazy. But you can prove the curvature of the earth very easily if you can get far away from it so you can see the whole thing and observe it.

The strange thing is our scientists and astronauts don’t seem to be able to do that?

If they could prove the curvature of the earth then we wouldn’t be having this discussion would we?

They can give us real photos. They can’t give us a real live feed of the rotating earth showing realtime what is happening on the earth.

So there is some problem here.

It would be very very very easy to prove it if you could get far enough away from it to observe it.

But they can’t it seems. At least they never take high resolution cameras with them…

Very strange. Very Very Strange.

• Doc Math

You’re pretty funny.
Start here…
A CHALLENGE TO PROFESSORS, SCIENTISTS, PHYSICIST’S and generally delusional globe believers…
Photograph and photoshop are 2 different things.
The 1st is real, the 2nd is Computer generated.
NASA utilizes 100% CGI for ALL of their published images as do ALL other space agencies so please don’t waste time with using this as proof or ANY other military or deceptively claimed  to be private agency as follows…
China National Space Administration (CNSA)
European Space Agency (ESA)
Russian Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos)
Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO)
Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA)
German Aerospace Center (DLR)
Italian Space Agency (ASI)
National Centre for Space Studies (France)
Canadian Space Agency
SpaceX.
Further, Images taken with a fisheye lens ARE NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING AND WON’T BE CONSIDERED.
I will gladly debate AFTER scientific proof of a spinning ball earth. My qualifications, (or lack thereof)…
I’ve worked as a college professor and have over 3 years of research on the topic of Cosmology. I work as an advanced robotic systems programmer/analyst with a background in computer science with emphasis on automotive assembly line controls engineering and throughput enhancement. I’ve installed entire assembly lines for G.M., Ford, Diamler-Chrysler, NIssan, Toyota, and Auto-Alliance/Mazda and have worked under direct employ of G.M Cadillac and Diamler as Systems Analyst.
1st, I require prior to debate scientific proof of the following…
1. Curvature of the earth at 8 inches per mile SQUARED as specified in the Pythagoras Theorem, (To date has NEVER been done.)
2. Proof of the earths motion as proven to be false in the Michelson-Morley experiment and many others.
3. (optional) Proof of Einsteins theory of E=Mc2 which was originally designed to prove the Heliocentric model.
If you truly believe in your education and can backup your cosmology/physics and astronomy I’m Here for you to completely humiliate! Just think of the fun you’ll have making me look like a total IMBECILE??, AND HOW COOL YOU’LL LOOK TO YOUR PEERS????
https://www.britannica.com/science/Michelson-Morley-experiment

• hschuring

“But you can prove the curvature of the earth very easily if you can get far away from it so you can see the whole thing and observe it.”

Now here is the thing: there are numerous pictures taken from space by Geostationary (weather)satellites, like these from the japanese Himawari: https://youtu.be/SSqgMF596MI
and planetary missions showing the Earth, f.e.; https://www.planetary.org/space-images?imgkeywords=pic-of-earth-by-planetary-missions#gallery
but when I mention these the standard reaction always is that they are fake. So, do you accept any of these pictures and if not, why ask for them? And so the question remains: if no available picture is accepted, what kind of evidence besides pictures will be considered sufficient?

• Flat Earth Facts

They do certainly look very fake? And none of them are realtime.

The point is it would be very useful to have high resolution real-time live feed streams of the earth as seen from space. But we don’t have it?

• hschuring

2. Observations as evidence for a rotating and orbiting Earth.
First some circumstantial evidence
a. (same as 1g) Every celestial object (stars, Sun, Moon, planets, and incidental passers-by like comets) decribe a daily celestial path which is always a part of a circle, around an axis that coincides with the line that connects the north celestial pole and the south celestial pole. (apart from tiny movements on top of that). This is the basis for the equatorial mount for telescopes and camera’s, which allows to follow a celestial object during this movement.
Of course, we could assume that they all by coincidence describe parallel circular celestial paths with the same period, but it is more likely that there is only one movement underlying, and that is the rotating Earth.
b. Retrogade movement of outer planets. Fit perfectly with heliocentric model, when Earth “overtakes” them. In the geocentric model of Ptolemy this required epicycles, smaller circles on top of larger circles around the Earth. Every planet had its own revolution time on the greater circle and en revolution time on the epicycle that “happened” to be one year. In fact this was Copernicus’main argument to suggest that if turned this model inside out, with the Sun in the center, the epicycles disappeared.
c. Annual parallax of the stars. A lot of stars show a yearly movement corresponding with the projection of the movement of the Earth orbiting the Sun.

Direct evidence
d. Foucaults pendulum. It should and did show a rotation proportionate tot he inverse sine of the latitude times the rotational period of the Earth. F.i. for Paris it should be 34h and so it was.
e. Coriolis effect on large scale atmospheric and oceanic currents, and on long range or very precise ballistics. (Not by the way on baths and toilets, because the Rossby number is there far too large (Rossby number – Wikipedia))
f. Doppler effect in astronomical spectra. In analyzing stellar spectra astronomers need to correct routinely fort he diurnal and the annual doppler effect: if the Earth is rotating or orbiting towards an object we see blueshift in absorption and emission lines, and moving away from it we see redshift.
g. Ring laser gyroscopes show the expected drift, f.i. 15° / hour along or parallel to the equator.

• Flat Earth Facts

None of these things prove the earth is rotating. All they prove is there is a rotation in the system.

You have to try and understand that from within the system there is no detectable difference. If we are rotating or if the system is rotating around us we can not detect any difference.

So all the points you have given, they can be explained in either system. And there is no way for us to know what is actually happening, unless we could get outside the system and observe it.

If the whole system is orbiting the earth then the sun is orbiting the earth every 12 months. And everything is moving in regard to the earth, so you will still get the same observations.

There are some things we can not know. And scientists will never admit that.

• hschuring

Why would a ring laser gyroscope show any drift on a stationary Earth?

Why would a pendulum show any drift on a stationary Earth?

Why would there be a coriolis effect on a stationary Earth?

Why would every star move towards and away from us in the direction aligned with the equator with the same 24h period (in fact 23h56m04s) with exactly the velocity the rotating Earth would have? Combined with an annual movement aligned with the ecliptic all with a period of one year, with exactly the velocity the orbiting Earth would have? I agree, this one could be a combination of miraculous coincidences, but what are the odds?

In a legal case for a grand jury with this pile of evidence (not even mentioning the circumstancial evidence) you would have a hell of a job convincing the grand jury that there was no rotation.

• Flat Earth Facts

Yes. Of course good questions. But you have to understand the rotation could be of the earth, or the rotation could be of the system around the earth.

At least try for theoretically understanding the point, simply. We know there is a rotation. And we know that the movement of the heavenly bodies exerts a force on the earth. For instance the position of the moon affects the oceans and the tides. So there are forces and those forces are coming from the relative positions of the heavenly bodies and the earth. So moon is not the best example, but if we take the sun. If the earth is stationary and the sun is rotating around it, along with everything else. That is the same thing as the sun being relatively stationary and everything, including the earth, rotating around the sun.

The forces will be exerted on the earth in the same way, because they depend on the relationship between the earth and the other heavenly bodies. You can call it gravity if you want.

So even if the earth is stationary the forces that cause the coriolis effect will still be there. Because they are a result of the relative positions of the earth and other heavenly bodies moving. So the other heavenly bodies will still be moving relative to the stationary earth, therefore you will still experience the same coriolis force.

This is a fact and any real scientist will agree, that from within a system you can’t actually tell what is moving. Because within the system you can measure movement in relation to the other objects in the system. But you take a reference point and measure according to that reference point in the system.

So the geocentrists, they take the earth as their reference point and measure everything and calculate everything according to that reference point. And the heliocentrists, they calculate everything taking the sun as their reference point.

So both are measuring and explaining the same movements, and they can both come up with equally valid equations, orbits, etc, to describe the system.

Similarly you can take any reference point within the system and presume it to be stationary and calculate the movement of the other objects in the system according to that.

But what is actually happening in the system, that is impossible to know from within the systmem.

The only way anyone within the system can know is if they can find someone who is from outside the system and has knowledge of its actual operations. Someone who has seen the system from a reference point that is outside the system.

So these things are all scientific facts. Actually we can’t know. If it is sun centered or earth centered, from within the system.

• Flat Earth Facts

“Why would every star move towards and away from us in the direction aligned with the equator with the same 24h period (in fact 23h56m04s) with exactly the velocity the rotating Earth would have?”

It is a very good question. And the only answer we have to explain this is a rotating earth. The flat earth people are not suggesting any mechanism that could achieve this display in the sky. That is why I say “flat earthers don’t look at the sky.”

I have heard another explanation, however for this. The stars are not where they appear to be to us. actually we are surrounded by a reflective dome of sorts. It acts like a projection screen, and in the center, earth is in the center, but above us, hidden from view, there is a rotating structure tilted at the same angle we presume the earth is tilted at, and that rotating structure has got all the stars, planets, etc, on it in their respective places and the whole structure rotates once every 24 hours and as it rotates it is projecting all the planets and stars on the ‘dome’ so the effect is the same as the tilted earth rotating, from the perspective of earth.

Now this description comes from some ancient spiritual texts in India that are correct about everything that we can test. So I feel quite confident they are correct about this also.

So if it is true, we are seeing a projection, not the real thing, and it is the structure in the center that has actually got all the stars, etc, in their fixed positions, on it that is rotating.

So with this knowledge you can easily understand the physical, mechanical workings of a system that could present the view that we see from earth, on a stationary, and maybe even flat, earth.

• Bob Quidne

A simple real Picture would work for me. Not CGI. Even if it’s just a portion of the globe showing the curve. Why can’t that be done?

• hschuring

In fact it used to be shorter, as was the month. As a result of tidal friction the Earth-Moon system slowly turns rotational energy into heat, losing bit by bit its total angular momentum. The Earth is gradually rotating slower and the moon is receding and also slowing down. For example fossil clams 70 million years old show that the day was 23.5 hours by then.

• Flat Earth Facts

It may, who knows. But we are so proud, our scientists, they can tell us how long the day was 70 million years ago. All these things are just speculations based on so many assumptions which may or may not be correct. They don’t know how long the days were 70 million years ago… But yes, sure, sounds like a reasonable idea, earth will slow down its spin over time. But my point is we don’t know even if the earth is spinning or not. Scientists build so many ideas on so many assumptions and if even if one of the supporting assumptions is a little incorrect, then all the ideas and other assumptions built on it are all useless, all wrong. That is the problem with science. It is all based on assumptions based on theories, and gradually the scientists forget that. And they start accepting these assumptions as facts.

It is like a house of cards. Pull out one of the cards at the bottom and the whole thing collapses. Say, for example, the earth was in the center and not spinning and the sun and moon were rotating around the earth. There’s no way we could tell the difference. It might be. If it is the case then all the science is wrong, because it is based on incorrect initial assumptions.

So you don’t know how long the days were 70 million years ago. It is just a guess based on so, so many assumptions, which we have no idea at all if there are correct or not.

A house of cards, that is all science is.

• Doc Math

Now that’s HILARIOUS🤣
Please, show us proof of axial rotation🤣.
Have fun with that!

2. stanton vandance

Hi there peoples of ,(flat), Earth!
read your ‘proofs’ of ‘flatness and i have one thought…..Wind!,(blowing kind!) Where does it come from?? where does it Go??
if this is a flat dirt plate??

• Gary

Air in Motion
The energy that drives wind originates with the sun, which heats the Earth unevenly, creating warm spots and cool spots. Two simple examples of this are sea breezes and land breezes. Sea breezes occur when inland areas heat up on sunny afternoons.

3. Bhule

Evidence please for the longer days and default setting for a 25 hour day. Hopefully this evolutionary leftover is not In the immeasurable and imaginary billions of years bracket. Lets work with verifiable within our sphere of comprehension.
If Foucault pendulum must be set in action and rotate any direction, what is the exact direction is the earth spinning and at what speed if they also vary ?. Are the fired bullets and planes in transit independent of the earth’s motion to experience the so-called coriolisis effect ?. Wouldn’t that be the case with a pendulum or wrecking ball suspended high up in the air ?. Was Felix still in Earth’s motion when he jumped for Red Bull and landed from edge of space back to Mexico. Sounds like its all magical and selective forces that drives this undetectable presumed motion of the otherwise stationery plane. It obviously exists only in the indoctrinated minds that are proficient at regurgitation and free of independent thinking and reasoning.

4. Steve Vasconcellos

FLAT OR NOT LETS GET JIGGY WI IT AND FIRE A ROCKET STRAIGHT UP WITH BOTH CAPURNICUS AND FLAT EARTHERS PRESENT IF IT CRASHES AND BURNS THEN WE HAVE THE DOME TO SPECULATE ON AND IF IT CONTINUES UNINTERRUPTED THEN WE HAVE A FEATHER IN THE CAP OF THE GLOBAL THEORY AS IT HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN TO MY SCIENTIFIC SATISFACTION THAT THE EARTH IS A GLOBE TRAVELING ROUND A ND ROUND

• John Smith

So you have a belief, not scientific observations, or facts.

Where is the science that can test and demonstrate large bodies of water conforming to the exterior of a ball?

Where is the science that demonstrates passenger airliners flying level all the way around a ball including upsides down?

Science should be demonstrable, measurable, and repeatable.

If it cant then it is not science and all you have is a belief.
YouTube John Smith Globe Lie

5. Jennifer

Rockets don’t go straight up precisely because we are on a globe. They are fired around the Earth not straight up into space.
When you talk about ‘scientific satisfaction’ you prove you know zilch about science. Experiments are not done to make you feel good that you have done something that fits your beliefs. One does an experiment to find out how a certain object or system behaves and then one draws conclusions about reality from the observable facts.
Rockets are fired into orbit on a weekly basis and any flat-Earther who could be bothered to leave their basement, where they watch non-stop YouTube videos that confirm their biases, could go and observe such a launch firsthand. But, ya know, even then they’ll find some ad hoc explanation of why reality refuses to conform to their fantasies and how the all-pervasive ‘they’ are spending hundreds of millions of dollars per launch just to make us believe the Earth isn’t really flat for ‘reasons’.
Then again, if you play with the letters N,A,S & A long enough one can rearrange them to sort of spell ‘Satan’ in medieval Swahili, so it must all be true.

• Jeremy

Jennifer you’re my spirt animal and I worship the spherical ground you walk on 😉 Long live science and sanity.

• David Allen Thacker

I think the question we should all ask ourselves is, “How do any of us really know either way”? None of us have physically seen anything leave the earths atmosphere, none of us has ever been able to prove the earth is flat. It all depends on your own beliefs. I for one and am skeptical both ways. I dont know if the earth is round, Pear shaped, flat, dish shaped or what. I dont have the ability to get in a spaceship and see for myself. All we have is a lying government and medias word. I for one dont believe that is good enough. They could tell the people the sky is purple and most of the people would believe it. Just like they told the world Derek Chauvin Murdered George Floyd. Just about everyone believes that. He died from an overdose of fentanyl. The cop was very Negligent yes, cruel yes. Did he need to put his knee on that mans neck for 9:27? Hell No it was obviously a little overboard, but do i think he wanted to or meant to kill him? No! I don’t. But the world believes it because the media said so. If you were a cop, what would you have done, Just saying…. I think the cop is getting what he deserves, but i do not think murder was on his mind.
And nobody knows what shape the earth is. Only those in the “Know” Know

• Mel Doomis

Wow this comment is moronic! Earth is concave and Rockets are fired around the Erath because its the only place they have to go. lol No rockets are actually observed leaving the Earth. Just flying out to sea. Millions of dollars? They get it free everyday lol

• gSpeaks

Psst. Just like NO ONE can find ANY planetary motion… SO TOO… NO ONE can actually SHOW US the CURVATURE.

There is an interesting video on YT between FLAT EARTHers and Sphereoids, where they take AN INFLATABLE CANOE out on the Salton Sea to the 3 mile mark.

The INFLATABLE CANOE refuses to sail over the horizon… which is weird can the Sphereoid model has a declination of 6 feet at 3 miles.

Bad CANOE!

• Ryan

why is it 6 feet, i thought it was 8 inches per mile?

• Bob Quidne

Yeah… I think it is 8 inches per mile ‘squared‘. That stuff confuses me quick. 🙂

6. Ania

the Earth is flat as we know it for our continents, but this is a very small peace of great Earth (Gaia = mother and father, together), in which the our known earth is only a small crater, surrounded by ice wall of “Antarctica”. Flat Earth doesn’t mean a flying disk in space. I was always wondering how is that possible that I can jump and come back to the same place, why the half moon is visible during the sunny day without changing the proportion of light and shadows. What is the different between new moon and the eclipse?

7. Bob Quidne

.The following explanation is not the best one I have ever read, but hopefully it will work for you.
Basically, a New Moon is when the Sun and Moon are vaguely in the same direction, while an eclipse occurs when they are in almost exactly the same direction. For a total eclipse, the alignment has to be nearly perfect. A New Moon is the period of its rotational phase, and it is presenting its “dark side” to the earth.

• Flat Earth Facts

This is the problem Bob. These days, because of our failed education system, no one knows anything at all about the globe earth model. That is why it is so easy to convince the uneducated ignorant masses the earth is flat.

As I say, flat earthers do not look at the sky…

If you looked at the sky Bob you would know the moon goes through a 28 day cycle. It goes from full moon, to no moon in 14 days, and in another 14 days goes from no moon to full moon. This makes 2 fourteen day periods which made a month that was used in a lot of older lunar calendar systems. Very convenient because you could just look in the sky and see the phase of the moon and tell what day of the month it was.

So the “new moon” is when the moon is dark.

The moon does not have a “dark side”.

Its really hard to understand you don’t know. the moon is, according to the globe earth model, rotating around the earth once in 28 days or so. And the earth is rotating around the sun, but only moving one degree every day, making the complete trip around the sun in a year.

So really as the moon rotates around the earth it will be illuminated on the side of the moon that is facing the sun. So when the moon is between the earth and the sun it will be the back of the moon that will be illuminated and we will see that as a dark moon, because the other side is illuminated. Then as the days go by, the moon moves around the earth and we start to see the part of the moon that is illuminated by the sun, until the moon is on the opposite side of the earth to the sun, then it is directly facing the sun, so we see the full moon. Then the moon continues around the earth again and our view of the part of the moon illuminated by the sun changes.

Now, according to the globe earth theory, a solar eclipse occurs when it happens, on the no moon day, the moon comes between the sun and the earth, thus blocking out the sun.

So at the time of the solar eclipse the earth, moon and sun are all in one line, moon blocking out the light of the sun for a small area on earth.

Also, if you looked at the sky, you will see the moon always presents the same side to us. We never see the other side of the moon. So, according to the globe earth model, the moon is rotating, but rotating in such a way that it always keeps exactly the same side facing the earth.

8. Bob Quidne

I sent a Google globe earth response to answer the question they asked. That explanation was Not from flat earth people. I’m still on the fence because there are things that cannot work with a globe earth and there are things that cannot work with a flat earth model. I purposely used a globe earth answer to their question because i’m not interested in bantering back-and-forth. I’ve learned that globe earth people ignore certain things and rest on what they’ve been told. Science has been wrong a lot. I have learned that flat Earthers are just as stubborn in their own way. I’m perfectly content to occasionally research the subject from both sides. Frankly, I don’t believe either model is correct. But everybody is welcome to their opinion. I just don’t want to go back-and-forth with it because most globe believers use Google… which does not support flat earth. It is like looking for info on Jesus Christ in a CCP library. Ain’t gonna find it. 🙂
If and when I find someone who uses DuckDuckGo, or the equivalent, to get information about flat earth…with an open mind…. I would consider an intelligent debate back-and-forth. Meanwhile, thank you for your response.

• Flat Earth Facts

Yes. Very wise Bob.

You are correct, generally there are sides, often two sides, and there is pressure to join one of the sides and conform with that side and argue with the other side to try and prove your side is correct and the other side is wrong.

That is all the flat earth and globe earth debate is.

You are correct, there are things about both sides that are incorrect. But both sides are generally blindly and religiously devoted to proving their side is correct. So for your average globe earther there is no possibility of the earth being anything but a spinning ball in space, even though we have no real proof of that, and for a flat earther there is no possibility the earth is not flat.

So it just becomes a useless shouting match, one side yelling at the other side, and the other side not listening at all but yelling back with their stuff.

So that is useless.

We don’t what that here.

We just want to calmly investigate the possibilities without any preconceived idea about the shape of the earth to confine us.

• Flat Earth Facts

PS: And yes, of course, we live in a world where google controls the information you are allowed to see, so google believe the earth is a globe, you will not be permitted to hear anyone else questioning this… Even duckduckgo, etc, that is ‘powered by google’. bing.com, that is Microsoft, they don’t yet have such good AI as google, sometimes you might see something there, but very very little. We are moving into a world where you will only see and hear the things THEY believe…

9. Bob Quidne

Yeah, it’s scary times. I just know there have been multiple occasions where I have sent the globe earth people simple straightforward information and they were not able to find it on Google. But there was plenty of examples on DuckDuckGo. And I’m sure you’re well aware, that YouTube pulls out videos a lot, if it’s not in goose-step with their beliefs and agendas. What’s going on in the world is very concerning. Meanwhile, I wish you a peaceful evening & a good nights rest. 🌈

• Flat Earth Facts

Yes. Google gives different search results on DuckDuckGo to the ones they give on Google. On DuckDuckGo it appears a little less censored. But it is all controlled and censored by google, including all the ‘privacy search engines’ that get their search results from google… Of course YouTube, it is owned by google also, and they only allow videos that say what they want people to hear. And even if you can post a video on YouTube they will not show it to the people who are searching for it if they don’t like it. You may be able to post a flat earth video on YouTube but no one will see it… Even if they search for the exact title of the video, they won’t find it…

• Bob Quidne

Hi Flat Earth Facts. Have you ever checked into the massive use of the number 666 that ‘science’ insists on using? Couple of examples. They tell us the earth is at a tilt of 23.4°. Obviously, that leaves 66.6 And very recently they decided to change the speed of earth to 66,600 mph. There are a lot of examples. Some are probably stretching it. Nevertheless, here’s A link. I hope all is well with you. https://www.veritasmc.org/666globe.html

• JennerWouldWeep

Hello FEF and BobQ

I am new to the whole flat earth thing. I don’t know what’s true, nor am I trying to convince anyone of anything. However, I am interested in the truth. The real truth, not Google’s version.

Please link to refutations of the globe earth model that you both reference. Which is the most convincing?

Thanks 👍

• Flat Earth Facts

Hi Jenner. There is no convincing refutation of the globe earth model, at least none that I have seen. Globe earth model is a good model that reliably explains and predicts our actual observations with a great degree of accuracy. On the other hand, flat earth people, they can not present a working model to explain our observations.

There are some apparent faults in the globe earth model, things that appear contradictory to what globe earth model would predict. Like for example in certain situations we can see objects in the distance which the globe earth model predicts should be hidden behind the curve of the globe. This is the most common refutation of the globe earth model presented by the flat earthers. There is some apparent problem here, but may not be that the earth is flat, might be that we just don’t understand exactly what is going on optically.

But overall globe earth model is very good, and flat earth, there is no model, it is rubbish actually, from the logical and scientific point of view.