Satellites don’t exist on an flat earth

Flat earthers deny the existence of space so they need to deny the existence of satellites also.

No Satellites, Just Ground Based Towers

The flat earth doctrine is that everything we think is being done by satellites is done by towers on the ground, like cell phone towers. They think there are no GPS satellites, no weather satellites, no communications satellites.

Flat Earthers don’t know How Things Work

They have no idea how things work. They do not know a satellite dish is a parabolic reflector that focuses on a very small point in the direction it is pointed at… Flat earthers see all these satellite dishes pointing up into the sky and they sit down and watch the cable television coming from their satellite dish and say it is all done with ground based towers. But my dear flat earther your parabolic satellite dish is not pointing towards a ground-based tower, your satellite dish is aimed at a point in the sky above the equator and it is are receiving a radio signal from that point which is being relayed from a ground station and your dish can also transmit a signal to that point which will be relayed to the ground station.

So it is an absolutely established fact that we can point our satellite dishes up into the sky, aim them at satellites, and send and receive radio communications from the satellites.

Sattelite Dishes don’t Point at Ground-Based Towers

So there is no question. Satellite dishes are not pointing at ground based towers and because they are not pointing at ground based towers they can not be getting their signals from or transmitting to ground based towers. They are sending their signals and receiving their signals from somewhere in the sky, typically somewhere directly above the equator. That is why, if you travel, you will see at the equator satellite dishes are pointing almost directly up into the sky, because typically the geosynchronous communications satellites are directly above the equator. And as you travel away from the equator north or south the further away you get from the equator the satellite dishes are set at a lower angle. If we say pointing directly up into the sky is at a 180 degree angle as you come towards the north or south pole you have to reduce the angle of your satellite dish down to almost 90 degrees to have it still point at the satellite above the equator. At some point before 60 degrees latitude it becomes impossible or very difficult to receive and transmit to satellites stationed over the equator because the angle of the dish becomes so low that the signal gets blocked by hills and trees, etc.

Types of Sattelites

There are two types of satellite:

  1. Geosynchronous satellites, typically used for communications, satellite television, etc. They remain fixed in a position above a certain point on the earth and remain there. They are placed in ‘geosynchronous orbit’, a magic distance from the earth (22,236 miles) where the satellite will stay put with only very minor adjustments from ground control. They become geostationary when placed directly above the equator and become very useful for communications in this position. At this distance geosynchronous satellites have a full view of the earth and could take photos of the full globe if someone ever things to put a camera on one of these things…
  2. Satellites in low earth orbit, generally used for weather, mapping, surveillance, etc. These are generally not higher than 250 miles. They do not have a full view of the earth, they can only photograph narrow strips which can be pasted together to produce a composite image of the earth projected on a globe, or projected on a flat plane also. We do have cameras on these low earth orbit satellites and the images are available online.

We are using both types of satellites and they are working for sure. Of course there is a possibility everything is not as they tell us it is, however, it is certainly possible to put objects in low earth orbit and to put instruments, cameras, etc on them and these objects travel on predictable orbits.

Many of the low earth satellites are transmitting radio signals which can be picked up and tracked by anyone who wants to point an antenna at them as they pass by overhead in the sky. And we are getting the images and data from these low-earth satellites and it is being used by scientists all over the world daily for many uses.

Suspicious Geosynchronous Satellites

There are aspects to geosynchronous satellites which could be suspicious. It is very suspicious that they have thousands of these geosynchronous satellites and have had them for 50 years or more but have never put a camera on them to give us a live high definition streaming video of the earth from space. That would be great. And would be so easy, just put a video camera on one of these geosynchronous satellites?

There are, of course, geosynchronous satellites, typically weather satellites which do have cameras and do provide some imagery which is posted on the internet. The most prominent being the United States GEOS weather satelites.

They provide some animated image sequences of the earth from space, for example:

But it is unclear if these are actual photographs or if they are compilations of data produced sourced through various instruments and plotted onto the globe by supercomputers.

Because geosynchronous satellites are typically used only to relay communications they are mostly passive. It means the satellite is not really actually doing anything at all. It is just an antenna in space. You point your parabolic antenna at that point in space and transmit to it, the ground station points their parabolic antenna at the same point in space you are pointing at and receives the signal you are transmitting to that point in space. Then, using a different frequency, the ground station transmits its reply to you back up to that same point in space, your antenna picks that up from the same point in space and you have your communication. So if it was possible to reflect a radio signal off a point in space then there would be no need of geosynchronous satellites for satellite communication.

So there is a good chance they have discovered some property of a location in space 22,236 miles above the equator where you can transmit a radio signal to and focus another antenna at the same location in space from a different location on earth and receive that signal. In that case they would still need to have the communication gear for the satellite but it would be installed in the ground station, not in space. If you could reflect the radio signal in space like this then you wouldn’t need a satellite in the sky at all, you could do everything from the ground station.


Supporting Flat Earth Proofs

  • 166) The “geostationary communications satellite” was first created by Freemason science-fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke and supposedly became science-fact just a decade later. Before this, radio, television, and navigation systems like LORAN and DECCA were already well-established and worked fine using only ground-based technologies. Nowadays huge fibre-optics cables connect the internet across oceans, gigantic cell towers triangulate GPS signals, and ionospheric propagation allows radio waves to be bounced all without the aid of the science-fiction best-seller known as “satellites.”
  • 167) Satellites are allegedly floating around in the thermosphere where temperatures are claimed to be upwards of 4,530 degrees Fahrenheit. The metals used in satellites, however, such as aluminum, gold and titanium have melting points of 1,221, 1,948, and 3,034 degrees respectively, all far lower than they could possibly handle.
  • 167) Satellites are allegedly floating around in the thermosphere where temperatures are claimed to be upwards of 4,530 degrees Fahrenheit. The metals used in satellites, however, such as aluminum, gold and titanium have melting points of 1,221, 1,948, and 3,034 degrees respectively, all far lower than they could possibly handle.
  • 169) So-called “satellite” TV dishes are almost always positioned at a 45 degree angle towards the nearest ground-based repeater tower. If TV antennae were actually picking up signals from satellites 100+ miles in space, most TV dishes should be pointing more or less straight up to the sky. The fact that “satellite” dishes are never pointing straight up and almost always positioned at a 45 degree angle proves they are picking up ground-based tower signals and not “outer-space satellites.”
  • 170) People even claim to see satellites with their naked eyes, but this is ridiculous considering they are smaller than a bus and allegedly 100+ miles away; It is impossible to see anything so small that far away. Even using telescopes, no one claims to discern the shape of satellites but rather describes seeing passing moving lights, which could easily be any number of things from airplanes to drones to shooting stars or other unidentified flying objects.
  • 171) NASA claims there are upwards of 20,000 satellites floating around Earth’s upper-atmosphere sending us radio, television, GPS, and taking pictures of the planet. All these supposed satellite pictures, however, are admittedly “composite images, edited in photoshop!” They claim to receive “ribbons of imagery” from satellites which must then be spliced together to create composite images of the Earth, all of which are clearly CGI and not photographs. If Earth were truly a ball with 20,000 satellites orbiting, it would be a simple matter to mount a camera and take some real photographs. The fact that no real satellite photographs of the supposed ball Earth exist in favor of NASA’s “ribbons of composite CG imagery,” is further proof we are not being told the truth.
  • 178) People claim Google Earth somehow proves the ball model without realizing that Google Earth is simply a composite program of images taken from high-altitude planes and street-level car-cameras superimposed onto a CGI model of a ball Earth.

39 Replies to “Satellites don’t exist on an flat earth”

  1. Ed kelley

    To simplify for those that need it…. Let’s say 400 days in a year…. Let’s say first satellite launched in 1960…. Let’s say it is the Lord’s year 2020 Jan1.

    So 60yrs*400 days=24000 days


    3 DAYS.




    • theNegativeHunter

      this is why i hate flat earthers. they don’t know much math. their claims aren’t detailed.
      according to :
      Vostochny Cosmodrome, Russian Federation
      39 launches in a year (2018).. how can this be?
      you can drop the list and see that there is multiple launches in one single day.
      they launch multiple ones in one day.
      so how does a launch site get away with launching 28 satellites in one single day?
      it is actually one launch :
      In December 2018, eight Lemurs were launched on a Soyuz-2-1a Fregat-M.
      in here :
      you can see that a single rocket launched 32 satellites, 4 of which weren’t registered in the reference that tells you there was 8k sattelite launches. 20 of which i showed their website to you. that is if i counted the 28 correctly.

      so, shrink down your 8k to maybe 800 launches. in the world, in 60 years.
      i do agree that some sites are really busy launching once a month, BUT you have made a huge mistake ED J KELLEY, by not questioning yourself.

      is earth flat? is it round? i don’t know i haven’t seen it with my own eyes. what my eyes see, is flat earthers being stupid. and i see math adding up with a round earth, my bets are on a round earth.

      • Jake

        Satellites are allegedly floating around in the thermosphere where temperatures are claimed to be upwards of 4,530 degrees Fahrenheit. The metals used in satellites, however, such as aluminum, gold and titanium have melting points of 1,221, 1,948, and 3,034 degrees respectively, all far lower than they could possibly handle.

        • Dan Riley

          The thermosphere is nearly vacuum, the actual energy transfer is tiny despite the large formal temperature. Do the math, not on temperature but actual energy flows.

        • Northern1982

          Good point but, you need to go little deeper to know why. Despite the high temperature, an observer or object will experience cold temperatures in the thermosphere, because the extremely low density of the gas (practically a hard vacuum) is insufficient for the molecules to conduct heat. A normal thermometer will read significantly below 0 °C (32 °F), at least at night, because the energy lost by thermal radiation would exceed the energy acquired from the atmospheric gas by direct contact. In the anacoustic zone above 160 kilometres (99 mi), the density is so low that molecular interactions are too infrequent to permit the transmission of sound.

  2. Upside Down

    i think the flat earthers would gain more credibility if they focused on rather than the earth being a flat disk, it should be more like spot on the side of a much larger earth this could explain a lot more of their conjecture having the sun and moon floating above a section of this larger planet providing light and life and that the Antartic ice wall is the barrier to the adjacent larger planet. One could even argue that the firmament encapsulates this area of the flat earth, kind of a pimple on the larger planet. The sun and moon could be held in place similar to magnets of similar polarity repel each other. Ironically this would mean the earth was not flat just less round. Maybe they should start the ‘Less Round Earth Society’

    • Flat Earth Facts

      But that wouldn’t work in the sense that it would not predict or describe the things we see happening in the sky and around us. You can’t just make up something and present it as a theory if the theory does not explain and predict the things we actually observe. That is why Globe Earth model is a good model and so for no other valid model has been presented. So it is not just about imagining something, you have to present the model and explain completely how if the earth was like you are proposing it would explain and predict our actual observations. Globe earth model does this, no other model can do it at the moment and the ones you are presenting also would fail miserably in this regard.

  3. TruthSeeker

    Antarctic ice wall ? Really ? Try that on the multiple individuals who have traversed the Antarctic continent from ocean to ocean. Ain’t no ‘ice wall’ there my friend.

    Oh, and great circle navigation doesn’t work on a flat earth.

    • On the Level

      Yes. They’re called Luna satellites. In fact, the US government proposed balloon satellites called Luna satellites in the early 1960’s. Orbiting space satellites are pure fiction.

      • On the Level

        Balloon satellites are not necessarily called luna satellites. In the 1960’s echo 1 project involved balloon satellites if I remember correctly. Project Loon and Bloostar are or were recent balloon satellite projects.

        • MichaelJohn

          Ye gods man, Echo was a REAL low earth orbit satellite launched on a rocket from Wallops Island, VA. It was NOT a balloon..high altitude balloons are not spherical.. it was an aluminum coated mylar SPHERE, inflated with compressed air after reaching orbit height. I WATCHED IT INFLATE FROM MY BACK YARD IN NJ WHEN IT WAS LAUNCHED. It then proceeded IN ORBIT, being used as a radio wave reflector for a trans Atlantic television broadcast.
          There appears to be a fine difference between gullibility and abject stupidity.

  4. peter windysz

    hahahahahahahaha love all the fake earth images…. it still boggles my mind, to this day, how any individual owning a pair of eyes and a brain can actually think these are legit SMH SMH SMH SMH etc etc etc

    • bobe

      Ask any hacker about websites and truth, and you will be told about the matrix. Truth on the internet is what they want you to see. It’s there, but you have to be capable of going real deep. And stay clear of fact-checkers. They exist to steer you away from the truth.

  5. Rachel

    Admittedly, you’re correct in assuming I don’t have any extensive knowledge about how wireless transmissions work. However, I can also guarantee you’ve never personally witnessed a floating satellite transmitting data in the manner you described either. So on to the debate: Cell phones don’t have to be pointed directly at a tower to receive signal from them so why would a tv satellite dish? If a ground based tower is emitting diagonally projected tv signal beams in many directions from a singular point, it makes sense a receiver dish, seemingly pointed at the sky, would actually be picking up signal from those diagonally projected ground-based beams. I have seen ground based towers and know my phone receives wireless signals from somewhere, so it seems logical to assume it would be coming from them. Why you would assume your TV service is traveling hundreds of thousands of miles through the sky from some floating contraption you’ve never seen before… idk?? Perhaps because u want to believe some incredible man-made force beyond your own comprehension is what’s powering the television your watching?..And if so, that’s fine, but it isn’t a logically based belief.

    • Flat Earth Facts

      Yes. Of course you don’t understand how satellite TV works Rachel. That dish is a parabolic reflector. It collects the signal from one very focused point, the point it is pointed at. So if you point it in the sky it will pick up a signal that is coming down from the sky, not a signal which is being broadcast from a land-based transmitter.

      On the other hand, the antenna in your phone that is omnidirectional. It will pick up and transmit signals in all directions. That is why you do not have to point your phone at the tower to make a call. It is you know, science.

      So the television signals for satellite TV, they are certainly coming down from the sky…

        • Flat Earth Facts

          Hi Jake

          Satellite phones use low-earth orbit satellites, about 500 miles up in the sky, they have 66 of them orbiting, so they are not stationary, that is why satellite phones do not use parabolic reflectors, because with a satellite phone you are not pointing at a particular satellite, it is just transmitting and receiving from the satellite which is closest to you at that time up in the sky. Similar to a cell phone that connects to the closest tower. So satellite phone connects to the closest satellite which is only about 500 miles up in the sky so it is quite easy to transmit/receive from that with an omni-directlional antenna.

          The parabolic antennas are used for the geosynchronous satellites, they are stationary in the sky, they say orbiting in syncronization with the spin of the earth, hard to believe, but that is what they say. There is a certain distance from earth where they can put a satellite and it will orbit in syncronization with the rotation of the earth. This geosyncrinous orbit is about 22,000 miles up, above the equator. So you need a parabolic antenna to communicate with these satellites, they are the ones typically used for satellite TV and satellite internet.

          There is some question in my mind about these geosyncrinous satellites as they really don’t do anything except reflect the radio signals. So if you could somehow find some natural thing out there in the sky that could reflect radio signals and stay in the same place in the sky then you wouldn’t need them.

          So there are 2 categories of satellite, the close low-earth orbit ones [400-500 miles up] and the geosyncronous communication ones [22,0000 miles up].

      • Jake

        You’re assuming that the “parabolic reflector” (satellite dish) actually works the way they claim. If they’re claiming that you can only receive a satellite television signal with a parabolic reflector OF COURSE they’re going to build the receiver in the shape of a parabolic reflector. In the center of the dish is an ANTENNA, which could, in theory, be receiving signals from ground based towers just like a “satellite phone”, or even a regular cell phone. What we know is that a “television satellite dish” receives a television signal from SOMETHING, SOMEWHERE, anything beyond that is conjecture and belief that known liars are telling the truth about tin cans in fake space.

        • Flat Earth Facts

          Why don’t you get a parabolic antenna yourself Jake and test it and see how it works? People are so stupid these days it is amazing, with all due respects Jake. Parabolic reflectors focus on the point that you point them in. They work very well, exactly as they are advertised to work and you can read about them and understand exactly how and why they work. Parabolic antennas focus on the point you point them at and get the signal from where you point it at. So if you point a parabolic antenna into the sky it is going to pick up a signal transmitted from a satellite in the sky or possibly from some possibly natural structure up there that can reflect radio signals. So there are only two possibilities if you point your antenna up in the sky and get a signal, the signal is coming down to you from the sky for sure, but there are things that radio signals can reflect off so it would be possible it could be transmitted from the earth and reflected off something up there in the sky and you are picking up the reflection. There is no other possibility as far as I am aware.

          • Jake

            Let’s see here…..

            You’ve done some name calling…

            You’ve made assumptions…

            However, you haven’t said anything to prove there are television signals coming from a tin can in fake space. Just because there is no other possibility that you’re aware of, doesn’t mean there aren’t other possibilities. Let me give you another possibility. I live in a very rural area. I have wireless internet in this rural area. It comes from a tower, this is a known fact. The company I have this service through is a small, family owned company. This is really good internet. As good as you’ll get with a basic plan in the city. I can stream HD movies and even game online with this service. According to my PS5 internet test, I’ve seen it reach speeds as high as 19. Now, this service uses a box for a receiver. It mounts to the side of my home. The funny thing about this box, is that in order for it to receive a signal, it must be pointed in the direction of the tower. I know this is a fact, because they had to put it on the front of my house and I wanted it on the back. I was told that wasn’t possible, because the receiver must face the tower in order to function, a tower actually owned by this very small, family owned company in a rural area. Now , if a very small family owned company, has a very good wireless internet service, that uses a tower, that you need to point a receiver at in order to get a signal, what do you think a company like Direct TV has? I mean, come on, no other possiblity?

            Your beLIEf in the impossible clouds your critical thinking skills. This is why there is no other possibility as far as you’re aware of.

            Tin cans in fake space is pure science fiction, plucked out of thin air by a science fiction writer.

          • Flat Earth Facts

            Why don’t you read what I said? I said there are television signals coming from space, you can not disagree with this. I suggested you try to understand how a parabolic antenna works and if you understand this you will know that if you point it to a very specific point in in the sky and get a television signal then that signal is coming from the direction you are pointing your parabolic antenna. Move it just a fraction of a degree in any direction and you will loose your television signal. So there is absolutely no question whatsoever the satellite television signals are coming down to you from a fixed point in the sky. If you disagree with this then you have no ability to think logically.

            And I, like you, are very doubtful that satellite TV is coming from a tin can in space. Actually even if there is a tin can in space it is only a reflector. The TV signal is coming from a ground based transmitter that is also pointing to that exact point in the sky, the same point that all the satellite TV dishes are pointing to. So the ground-based transmitter transmits to that point, the signal is reflected off that point in the sky and it is picked up by all the satellite TV dishes pointed at that point in the sky.

            So what that point is? That is the question. I am open to the possibility that there may be some natural occurance that they have discovered that can reflect radio signals from certain points in the sky. Otherwise it could be a tin can there reflecting the signal. But it is not doing anything, it is just a reflector, the signal is being transmitted from the ground and is being reflected off something in the sky at that point. That we know for a fact. It may be a tin can satellite or it may be some natural feature reflecting the radio signals, these are the only two possibilities.

            But the signal is coming to your from that point in the sky where you have your parabolic antenna pointed to.

          • ON THE LEVEL


            Flat Earth Facts,

            In past comments on other threads you claimed denying existence of satellites as insane. –snipped–

        • Tim Andrews

          “In the center of the dish is an ANTENNA, which could, in theory, be receiving signals from ground based towers just like a “satellite phone”, or even a regular cell phone.”

          If your theory were true, satellite dishes would still be able to get reception when pointed away from their associated satellite, but they don’t.

    • Tim Andrews

      “Cell phones don’t have to be pointed directly at a tower to receive signal from them so why would a tv satellite dish? ”

      Because the satellite TV dish is a directional antenna, while the cell phone is equipped with an omni-directional antenna.

      It’s like the difference between a flashlight that makes a beam/spot of light and an unshielded lightbulb that shines in all direactions.

      The satellite dish uses a reflector, to focus the radio waves coming into it, exactly like the flashlight uses its reflector to focus the lightwaves coming out of its bulb.

      If your theory were true, you would still be able to watch TV through your satellite dish if you tilted the antenna down from pointing at a spot in geosynchronous orbit and towards ground based antennas.

      Try it. Do an experiment you can do yourself. What happens when you tilt a satellite dish down towards the horizon and the tops of ground based towers? You won’t be watching TV anymore, you’ll be watching an error message that says “Loss of signal.”

  6. Jake

    All I use is earth curvature chart. No one has expanded that one fact. With a telescope I can see the beach 26 miles away.

  7. InnerCynic

    Couldn’t you just surmise that the sky above is likewise a parabolic reflector and that ground based signals could be directed to “spots” on the reflector corresponding to so-called satellite locations? And by directing your own parabolic reflector to gather in the reflected signals from those spots you would then of course tune in to that band? Not much different than tuning in to varying frequencies on any radio.

    • Flat Earth Facts

      Yes. The theory is possible for geocentric satellites but it quite possibly doesn’t work at all, and it is quite possible they have got tin cans up there reflecting the signals. So it would be easy to test. Someone needs to test it, and then, if it works, then we can say something. But no one has tested it, and it does not work for low-earth orbit satellites, they absolutely exist for certain.

  8. bobe

    The satellite thing has been a thorn in this flatearther’s behind! The truth is, they don’t work on any flat and stationary model. I know helium balloons are used for communication. But the sheer number of satellites that NASA proclaims are in orbit is unrealistic. The electronic interference alone would make any communication difficult, at best.
    For me, the most viable argument against the existence of satellites is the failure of NASA to put a solar-charged digital camera on a suitable satellite, and broadcast a 24-7 video from space of the spinning ball earth and prove that they are not lying.
    They claim to some out there that could certainly handle that small task.

    • bobe

      The satellite issue is the same as the curvature issue, if it exists, prove it. Show us the ball. Measure the curved water.

      GGI is it. They showed us a picture of the earth over the moon horizon. Didn’t they know that the earth from the moon would be four times the size of the moon from earth!

      They can’t even get their own model right. They need to study their own “science”. It would have them spending more time with their therapist.

      • Tim Andrews

        “Didn’t they know that the earth from the moon would be four times the size of the moon from earth!”

        Yes they did, and it is.

        Have you ever noticed that the moon is larger relative to foreground objects in some pictures taken from Earth, and smaller than others? It all depends on how “zoomed” in the picture is.

        Shoot a 128mm film picture with an 80mm lens on the Earth and you’ll see the moon is about 1/4 the size of how you see the Earth in Apollo pictures.

    • Flat Earth Facts

      There are 2 types of satellites, low earth and geosynchronous, and geostationary [a special type of geosynchronous]. So the low earth satellites, weather satellites, gps satellites, the space station, etc, realistically no intelligent person can seriously argue that they do not exist. They exist, we can see them at night, we can pick up the radio transmissions they are transmitting, we can track them as they pass over us. So it is totally insane to say low earth satellites don’t exist. They certainly do exist and are orbiting the earth in predictable orbits. They are typically only a hundred or a few hundred miles up.

      The other satellites, they are much more, I forget, maybe 23,000 miles, you can look it up. So it is those ones that should be sending us the beautiful high definition realtime streaming pictures of the beautiful globe earth in space, and it is those live feeds that are mysteriously absent. Yes. So there is some chance there is some other explanation for these geosynchronous satellites. They may be just bouncing radio signals off something up there that conveniently reflects radio signals, that was already there, that they did not have to put up there.

      But whatever the explanation, they work. You point your directional antenna into the sky directly at the correct satellite and you pick up your favorite television station. So that TV signal is being transmitted from an earth based ground station up into the sky and is being reflected off something up there. Now they say it is reflecting off a “tin can” they put up there. May be true. Also it is possible they found some spots up there that naturally reflect radio signals and are just beaming their signals up at these natural reflectors.

      But in any case both sorts of satellites work.

      • Flat Earth Facts

        Yes. Epic camera. That’s the best they have:

        Not continuous images actually. About one image every 2 hours… And super low resolution. 2048×2048 pixels. That’s all NASA can give us from their billion dollar camera in the sky? Once every 2 hours…

        The problem is the images are an earth underlay with clouds above it. And the cloud positions, at least because they only need to provide pictures once every 2 hours, the cloud locations they know from their many low earth satellites.

        So these images can be very easily simulated.

        And if they really did have a billion dollar camera in the sky they would be providing us high resolution continuous imaging. Which they don’t do. Instead they provided us with a super low resolution very easily to simulate image only once every 2 hours…

        So it would seem that Epic is a computer program running on some big computer somewhere taking input from the weather satellites and producing these simulated globe images.

        At least that is a much more likely scenario than NASA putting a billion dollar camera in the sky that can only provide super low resolution 2048×2048 pixel images…

        So the problem

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