No Midnight Sun in Antarctica proves flat earth
According to the flat earth map Antarctica is a ring surrounding the flat earth and the sun is revolving above the flat earth but inside the circle. So, on a flat earth, viewed from Antarctica, or any point south of the Tropic of Capricorn, the sun can only ever appear to the North.
Flat earthers accept the midnight sun, where the sun appears above the horizon for days on end, which occurs in northerly regions as the sun rotates around the Tropic of Cancer. They also accept the long night that occurs in Antarctica at the same time but they argue that this midnight sun phenomenon can not occur in the southern regions and Antarctica.
This is completely incorrect. I have personally traveled to the southernmost part of South America during the longest day of the year and have seen with my eyes the sun rotating around in the sky almost 300 degrees. At that location, 54 degrees south, the sun still sets for a few hours. But it sets in the south and rises again also in the south and makes it journey around the sky to the north and back into the south to set again. This behavior of the sun can be observed by anyone south of the Tropic of Capricorn and it absolutely proves the flat earth map is incorrect.
There is no need to travel all the way to Antarctica to refute or confirm this. Even at 54 degrees south you can very clearly see the sun in the sky and you can also see the where the sun is when it is below the horizon during the long twilight period after it sets and before it rises. That only leaves about three hours when it is dark. And then the the sun rises again on the southerly side a little east from where it set a few hours before.
Conclusion: Flat earthers are incorrect. The midnight sun phenomenon does occur in Antarctica in the same way as it does in the Northern regions. This proves the flat earth map is incorrect and is what we would expect to occur if the earth was a globe.
Supporting Flat Earth Proofs
- 56) The “Midnight Sun” is an Arctic phenomenon occurring annually during the summer solstice where for several days straight an observer significantly far enough north can watch the Sun traveling circles over-head, rising and falling in the sky throughout the day, but never fully setting for upwards of 72+ hours! If the Earth were actually a spinning globe revolving around the Sun, the only place such a phenomenon as the Midnight Sun could be observed would be at the poles. Any other vantage point from 89 degrees latitude downwards could never, regardless of any tilt or inclination, see the Sun for 24 hours straight. To see the Sun for an entire revolution on a spinning globe at a point other than the poles, you would have to be looking through miles and miles of land and sea for part of the revolution!
- 57) The establishment claims the Midnight Sun IS experienced in Antarctica but they conveniently do not have any uncut videos showing this, nor do they allow independent explorers to travel to Antarctica during the winter solstice to verify or refute these claims. Conversely, there are dozens of uncut videos publicly available showing the Arctic Midnight Sun and it has been verified beyond any shadow of a doubt.
- 58) The Royal Belgian Geographical Society in their “Expedition Antarctique Belge,” recorded that during the most severe part of the Antarctic winter, from 71 degrees South latitude onwards, the sun sets on May 17th and is not seen above the horizon again until July 21st! This is completely at odds with the ball-Earth theory, but easily explained by the flat-Earth model. The Midnight Sun is seen from high altitudes in extreme Northern latitudes during Arctic summer because the Sun, at its inner-most cycle, is circling tightly enough around the polar center that it remains visible above the horizon for someone at such a vantage point. Likewise, in extreme Southern latitudes during Arctic summer, the Sun completely disappears from view for over 2 months because there at the Northern Tropic, at the inner-most arc of its boomerang journey, the Sun is circling the Northern center too tightly to be seen from the Southern circumference.
there’s vids of antartic 24 hr sun but have been proven fake. why fake it if the real deal would be so much easier? they have to because it isn’t real. just like why nasa fakes all aspects……..they have to.
Yes Dan, if the map the flat earthers present is correct, with the Antarctic around the edge and sun in the middle moving in and out from tropic of cancer to equator to Tropic of Capricorn and back again. So the sun can never go beyond the Tropic of Capricorn which passes through Australia. So to test this I went to the southernmoost tip of Antarctica around Christmas last year, which is when the 24 hour sun happens in the Antarctic. While I was not far enough south to experience the 24 hour sun, I could test the flat earth theory. According to the flat earth theory, and actually as we experience it, and according to the globe earth theory also, the sun is rotating above the Tropic of Capricorn at that time. We know this for a fact and can easily test it.
So look at the flat earth map, sun is rotating above Tropic of Capricorn so from anywhere south, ie from the southernmost part of South America, the sun can only appear in the southern part of the sky, it can never appear in the northern part. So to test this I made a video that I have not yet posted, but I will post it in a few days, and when I post it you can see for yourself the sun moving 360 degrees around the sky. It does set [in the North] and again rise a bit further along the North horizon about four hours later, but you can see that obviously sun is moving around 360 degrees as we would expect on a globe, but would be impossible on the flat earth map we are presented with.
So this observation is what we would expect to observe on a globe and would be impossible on the proposed flat earth map.
If you are in the south and the sun is over the tropic of capricorn then the sun would come from east and go past you to the vest. South from you would be the icewall…
Yes. But that is not what happens if you watch the video. Sun is rotating 360 degrees around in the sky. You can’t see it for a few hours only when it drops below the horizon in the south. But it comes up over the ocean again just a few hours later a bit further along. So, on a flat earth, if you were on the Southernmost point of South America like this, sun must stay behind you, because it is over Tropic of Capricorn, which is behind you in the flat earth, but sun appears in front of you, in the South. So this is proof that flat earth map is wrong and this observation is totally consistent with what we would expect to see on a globe.
Wait… when would you see the sun south of the topic of Capricorn on a globe earth? I’m confused how this is possible.
You can see the sun south of the Tropic of Capricorn of course. I never said you could not. But if you are South of the Tropic of Capricorn the sun should appear in the south. But at the poles you either see the sun for 24 hours or it is dark 24 hours. So the point is the observations are consistent with the predictions of globe earth model, not flat earth model.
Regardless of whether you are talking about a flat earth or a globe earth, the sun is never seen directly overhead from a latitude south of the Tropic of Capricorn, and would always be in the northern sky.
Similarly, the sun is never seen directly overhead from a latitude north of the Tropic of Cancer, and would always be in the southern sky.
That’s why the tropics are specially noted among all other lines of latitude.
Rubbish. That is what the flat earth map predicts. But it is not the reality. Watch the video. In reality the sun is seen in the northern sky, fully in every direction, only it sets below the horizon in the south for a few hours, so just watch the video and see the sun in the North. Totally impossible on the flat earth map, but exactly what we would expect to see on a globe.
^!^!^! MISINFORMATION ABOVE !^!^!^
FACTS:
-There is NO midnight sun in Antarctica.
-The South Pole does NOT EXIST.
So why DO PEOPLE still believe the Earth is flat?
Two words.
Thorough research.
! DO NOT BELIEVE THE GLOBAL LIE !
Humanity needs your support.
Seek truth.
Research Flat Earth.
So where is your research proving there is no midnight sun in Antarctica. I researched it, I went there and I saw it personally. So there is midnight sun in Antarctica and the sky down there behaves exactly as if it was above the south pole of a rotating globe. So you have not done any research but just present things which are false as ‘facts’. It is not very convincing.
You damn liar.
The videos of 24 hour Sun in Antarctica have THE SAME EXACT CLOUDS AT THE BEGINNING AS AT THE END. IT. IS. FAKE.
YOU HAVE NOT BEEN THERE AND SEEN IT, IT DOES NOT EXIST.
DO NOT BELIEVE THE GLOBE LIE.
RESEARCH.
SCRUTINISE.
REMAIN SKEPTICAL.
https://youtu.be/eEXwV9M3TmY
This video PROVES THE 24-HOUR SUN IN ANTARCTICA IS. FAKED.
Hello,
Can you please re-upload this video to somewhere there is less censorship than YouTube? Rumble is a thought…
The fact that sundials work between the solstices is irrefutable proof that Earth cannot be a sphere/globe. Sundials work anywhere between the solstices due to the fact that the Sun moves thru the sky in a curved arc. IF Earth was a sphere/globe the sun between the solstices would move across the sky in a perfectly straight line east to west.
Nowhere between the solstices do we see the Sun move across the sky in a straight line! The online apps that show the sun’s arc will show you that if you are at the Equator at certain times of the year the sun’s path across the sky is a straight line east to west – this is a complete FRAUD and every person who lives there will refute it. Now you have the proof that Earth is not a globe/sphere and, has never and, will never be refuted.
It’s amazing how globe earthers do not understand the flat earth ideas and flat earthers do not understand the globe idea.
The globe idea explains how we see the sun moving in an arc. It is because the earth is spinning on a tilted axis. If you make a model, according to the globe earth idea, of sun, and earth you will see how the sun moves and how it matches your experience.
“…nor do they allow independent explorers to travel to Antarctica during the winter solstice…”
This is a lie. I did a simple google search and found this: https://www.travelandleisure.com/travel-tips/how-to-go-to-antarctica
Why should I trust you to teach me about astronomy and the shape of the earth when you are not able to do a proper investigation on how to book a trip to Antarctica?
Anyways I would be very interested to see a follow-up to this article backed with solid evidence after a trip to Antarctica. Please book a trip to Antartica during the southern summer (~December/January) and show us an equal distribution of day and night within 24h.
Regards
You can travel there, but it’s controlled travel. They only let you into certain areas; the far-reaching stuff is mostly off limits. They’d be even more strict if they knew you were coming to do flat earth observations.
Actually I have tried to go there. The rules are you can go on an organized tour by taking a boat from the bottom of South America, Ushuaia, it takes about a week to get to the tip of Antarctica on the boat and you are allowed to get off the boat and look at the penguins, but you are not allowed to stay in Antarctica overnight…
So you pay $15,000 at least, spend a week going there on the boat, get off, spend a few hours and look at the penguins, and get back on the boat and send another week getting back to South America…
So yes, you can visit Antarctica, but you can only stay there a few hours, because not allowed to spend the night there…
So I did not go
In order for the earth to be round like a ball, the midnight sun must occur at the south pole as well as at the north pole. That is exactly what happens, at opposite times of the year. The north pole midnight sun occurs on June 21. Six months later, the south pole midnight sun occurs on December 21. If only one polar midnight sun occurred, the earth would not be round. However, each pole does experience the midnight sun at opposite times of the year. This can happen only on a round earth.
Prove it. Just because you say it doesn’t make it true. The whole point of the article was that nobody has proved it yet.
Just starting to reconsider theories. The one person says the flat earth cannot exist because of sun dissapearing on the horizon for 4 hours. My question what if the earth is flat, and not round and the orbit of the sun is not a circle?
No you misunderstand. If you look at the “Flat Earth Map” the flat earthers have the sun circling around a central point [north pole] and moving in and out between Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn.
So the sun can never be any further south than Tropic of Cancer. So that means if you are way south, like at the bottom of South America, according to the flat earth, the sun must always be in the North. Sun can never go in the South on flat earth model if you are South of Tropic of Capricorn.
So this video is showing the Sun in the south from the Southernmost tip of South America. This is impossible according to the flat earth map and therefore proves that the flat earth map is wrong. And what we observe here, it is consistent with what is predicted by the globe earth model.
The tropics work the same way in relation to the sun on a flat or globe earth. On either model, the most extreme southern and northern points where the sun may be seen directly overhead on the summer solstice are the tropics.
Nothing works on the flat earth as it is presented by the flat earthers. For example in December the whole of Antartica is experiencing day 24 hours a day. That is not possible on the flat earth map. It is impossible to have the whole of Antartica illuminated by the sun at the same time on the flat earth map. Similarly, almost anything else you test, it does not work on the flat earth map. But it all works on the globe.
You don’t have to go to Ushuaia to prove anything. Just compare the sun tables of Edmonton, Alberta, which is at roughly 53ºN latitude to its opposite parallel, Ushuaia at 54ºS. They are almost identical which would be impossible with the flat earth model. Then there’s the flat earth model with the diverging lines of longitude south of the equator. Navigation south of the equator would be very problematic using the accepted globe earth lines of longitude by mariners and aviators, which converge to a South Pole on their charts if the earth were indeed flat and with that alternate reality of the lines of longitude which would diverge to “the ice wall.”
Yes. But what you are saying is the map presented by the flat earth people is not correct. And I think, these days, no one actually believes the flat earth map. It is obviously impossible and your point is very valid, and there are many other points also, that totally invalidate the flat earth map.
So we can say certainly that the map generally presented by most flat earthers is obviously totally incorrect, impossible, and completely at odds with our actual observations and experiences.
But you can not say the earth is not flat because the map presented by the flat earthers is wrong. You can only say the map presented by the flat earthers is wrong. There may be another map, a correct map, that accepts the presumption of the earth being flat, and works, and is consistent with our observations and experiences.
This shows the superiority of the globe earth model, the globe earthers have a reasonable map that is consistent with our experiences and observations. So unless flat earthers can present a reasonable working map that is consistent with our observations and experiences, they don’t have any way of explaining how the earth could be flat…
So, you know, for the thoughtful scientific types, there is no logical explanation as to how the earth could be flat. It does not prove the earth is not flat, it just proves we don’t have a good model or story to tell, that makes a flat earth a logical reality.
But we may just be ignorant of how it works.
So you have proved the flat earth map is wrong. But you have not actually proved the earth is not flat…
Read the book of Genesis, then the book of Enoch with an open mind. The book of Enoch was removed from the Bible in the 16 th century by a Catholic pope . It didn’t fit his idea of a planetary system.
Midnight sun or not, why are the seasons reversed between the “North Pole” and “South Pole”? If both are on the same ball spinning closer and further away from a fixed heat source aka the Sun, wouldn’t both poles get their hottest and coldest times of year at the same time of year (even if the “globe” was on a tilt)? A campfire and a “tilted” spherical walk around a campfire could be an observational proof. (And next time you do your Timelapse include gps co-ordinates…and I still won’t trust them. Would have to see it for myself (kind of like proving space is real. If you haven’t been there? You’re just taking other people’s word for it.)
This is the problem with flat earthers. They don’t understand how the globe earth model works.
The temperature is due to the Sun. During summer the sun is directly overhead. During winter the sun is low down in the sky and the lengths of the day and night are long.
So the sun is in the sky for a lot less time in the winter than in the summer. Meaning it will not heat up as much. And nights, with no sun, are much longer, meaning they will get a lot colder.
And even during the short days in winter because sun is not directly above, the sunlight has to go through a lot more of earth’s atmosphere because it is coming in at an angle, rather than from directly above. So as well as the sun being in the sky for much less time, it is also much less strong in winter as it has to go through much more atmosphere…
So globe earth model explains perfectly what we experience, summer and winter seasons.
However… Flat earth model can not explain this at all…
Hi FEF,
“So globe earth model explains perfectly what we experience, summer and winter seasons.”
Yes, the conventional Gleason’s map type flat earth model does explain the seasons but is incompatible with the globe model’s claim that like the Arctic circle region the supposed Antarctic polar region experiences something like 24 hour sun for about half a year. It beggars the imagination to explain how the sun could beam down on the Antarctic polar region uninterrupted for half a year and leave 90% of the Earth’s fresh water in the form of a gigantic glacier over 13,000 feet high over an entire continent supposedly the size of North America! After all, nothing like that occurs in the Northern Arctic circle! Ice sheets shrink and re-grow there but they don’t cover the entire land masses in the region and that includes Iceland and Greenland. Yet the entire supposed continent of Antarctica is supposedly covered in ice. The strange part is the globe model has no explanation for this staggeringly different observation between the Northern and Southern polar regions. The Flat Earth model does.
Your video does not explain any of that, appears altered, and provides no explanation for how the sun still sets to the North-west even as seen in Northern Winter. This seems to me remains a short-coming to your claims.
Cheers!
Hi OTL
My video is not altered. Only the exposure on the camera was not automatic. So when I changed the exposure it changes from dark to bright. But it is a continuous recording showing the sun circling in all directions and setting in the south and then rising again in the south a couple of hours later. It is one continuous video, I was only there for two days, so I only had one day / night when I could have possibly filmed down there. So it is continuous video all shot at the same time with no breaks. Only the exposure is changed. There is no alteration. If it was any other way, you know I would not cover it up. What do you think? I went all the way down there to fake a video? I have no interest one way or the other actually. I would just like to know what the actual situation is. And actual situation is there is 24 day / night down in the south, just like it us up in the north…
Of course this is taken at the bottom tip of South America, as far South as you can go without paying $10000 or more to go on a cruise to Antarctica, where you can just step on it and takes some photos of the penguins and come back. Can’t stay overnight, just penguin photos and go home…
But anyhow for anyone who is slightly thoughtful this video shows how the observation of the sun changes as you head south. And sun is doing exactly the same thing as you head south as it does when you head north.
So as far as I can tell the sun in the south does exactly the same thing as the sun in the north.
There are large climatic differences as you point out. South Pole is much much colder than North Pole, and there is no land to speak of down there. So probably the lack of land in the South would affect the climate also. So yes, in the North, there is land, so people can live there, but in the South, no land to speak of, just ocean and ice..
But as far as the sun is concerned it is doing exactly the same thing in the south as it does in the north. There is 24 hour sun in Antartica. And if you want to see exactly how it works the Australian Antarctic people have got plenty of webcams down there.
https://www.antarctica.gov.au/antarctic-operations/webcams/
They are giving a few frames every hour but still you can see the situation, if it is day or night. They have webcams in about 4 locations down there.
So you can check the webcams and satisfy yourself that the sun is doing the same thing in Antartica that it does in the Artic. Only it is opposite. It is dark in the South when it is light in the North.
So it is compatible with the predictions of the globe earth model for sure.
Hi FEF,
You mentioned:
“Of course this is taken at the bottom tip of South America, as far South as you can go without paying $10000 or more to go on a cruise to Antarctica, where you can just step on it and takes some photos of the penguins and come back. Can’t stay overnight, just penguin photos and go home…”
Yes, please don’t spend $10K for a pointless sightseer trip on my account. You further pointed out:
“But as far as the sun is concerned it is doing exactly the same thing in the south as it does in the north. There is 24 hour sun in Antartica. And if you want to see exactly how it works the Australian Antarctic people have got plenty of webcams down there.”
and…
“They are giving a few frames every hour but still you can see the situation, if it is day or night. They have webcams in about 4 locations down there.”
Thanks for the website link, but the only webcam footage accessible from the website when I linked to it was for May 23, 2023! So no summertime Antarctic video. Very curious! Like all the supposed satellite footage, but little if any of the Earth surface the supposedAntarctic time-lapse appears to have time-lapsed web-cam footage but apparently only for the Southern Fall. This footage includes a small amount of sunlight and little else but night-time footage. Where’s the 24 hour revolving sun footage one should expect from such a location for the Southern extremities?
Thanks again. Cheers!
Hi OTL
Yes… I must admit the Australian Antarctic Expedition webcams are a bit disappointing. I looked at them some years ago and then they were updating daily and you could look at the previous day’s time-lapse. But looks like they have stopped doing it… They have a FAQ, saying can’t give real-time webcams because no bandwidth on the internet down there. They can give us live television from the moon in 1966, but not a frame every minute of a webcam image from the South Pole… Not possible, no bandwidth available…
They do have an article, not video, saying:
I can assure you, from my personal experience, that there must be 24 hours of sunlight in Antarctica at least around December 25, which is when I was there. I did not actually see it because I was not quite there. But I could see how my view of the path of the sun had quite dramatically changed from Australia to bottom of South America. You know that video is real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GWJEve5A3I
The sun was going around 360 degrees, both rising and setting in the south, and only disappearing under the water for a few hours and rising again.
So I can understand if I was to go further south that short time when the sun was below the horizon in the south would be reduced. And I have no trouble imagining that, at the south pole sun would be above the horizon for the whole 24 hours.
Their stations are right on the edge of Antarctica closest to Australia:
https://www.antarctica.gov.au/site/assets/files/49472/australia_to_antarctic_distances_15322_draft_v2.1600×900.webp
And they are claiming up to 54 days where the sun does not set, and probably a similar number of days where the sun does not rise, that is a bit less than 4 months, so for the other 8 months they would be having day and night. They are not in the center of Antartica, just on the edge, so presumably if you went further in you could get more days where the sun does not set and does not rise. So it does appear to be a similar situation to what is going on in the North…
So it is probably true. Scientists really don’t have any reason to lie about if it is day or night…
Hi FEF,
Another point to consider. You stated:
“There are large climatic differences as you point out. South Pole is much much colder than North Pole, and there is no land to speak of down there. So probably the lack of land in the South would affect the climate also. So yes, in the North, there is land, so people can live there, but in the South, no land to speak of, just ocean and ice..”
Shouldn’t make much difference if the Earth surface insolation per square meter matched at either polar region. The temperature difference between the two locations indicates otherwise. Further, this supports the notion that the solar cycles in either location appear to differ!
Thanks again. Cheers!
Hi FEF,
Thanks for an informative reply. You stated:
“So it is probably true. Scientists really don’t have any reason to lie about if it is day or night…”
That statement might apply to any place on Earth except the southern extremity or so called Antarctica. Why? Well it’s the only place on Earth I’m aware of where signatories agreed not to let their own citizens access Antarctica’s resources at least supposedly until 2048 when modifications might be allowed!!! Strange don’t you think that 1958 treaty to close the place off?! Why? It’s almost as if they’re trying to hide something. Few can access the place and those that do seem to act strangely if not sometimes dishonestly. The few supposed 24 hour sun videos, like say at McMurdo Station appear to be fakes!!! A Reddit user below noticed the exact thing I did regarding the following video:
“Why would they fake the 24 hour Antarctic sun?
If you watch this video of the purported 2hr sun in Antarctica, you can clearly see that video is edited and doctored to create the illusion of a full day of sun.
Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQlr366eels
Split your screen and load the video on both screens. Pause the 1st one at 0:23, then switch to the other screen and pause the 2nd video at 1:24 – You can clearly see that the two stills show the exact same cloud pattern. To me, it’s pretty clear that this video has been cut and looped, right? Please let me know if there is another explanation.
So again, why? I mean, it would have literally been much less work to just film the actual sun path (if it does indeed circle for 24 hrs.) – why go to the trouble to fake it? Kind of makes you wonder…..
And yes, I know there are other videos that seem to show the 24 hr. loop, but I also know that some of those can clearly be debunked like this one was due to silly editing errors (I will post them in the future.)
Btw, fun youtube fact for those who don’t know (I just recently learned this – yes, I’m old..), if you pause the video you can move the image forward in 1 second intervals by hitting the “period” key while hitting the “comma” key moves it back 1 second; hitting the “l” key moves you 10 seconds forward, the “k” key pauses the video, and the “j” key moves it 10 seconds back. Great tools to use when analyzing video.”
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Hi OTL
There may be fake 24 hour Antartic sun videos out there. I do not know. But I know from my own personal experience that there is 24 hour sun in the Antarctic as I already explained. At least around 25 December. It requires a little bit of projection by seeing the angle of the sun’s path in the sky changing dramatically as you go south. It goes from the sun rising in east, going straight up in the sky, overhead at noon, and setting in the west at the equator to 24 hour sun, just circling around the edges of the sky in Antarctica in December-Jan. That is what we are told. So in my video, which is 100% real, uncut, continuous time lapse, you can see sun coming around and setting in the south and again rising in the south a few hours later.
So you have to understand that the view of the sun’s path has dramatically changed from up and over our heads and down at the equator, to almost flat, going round and round in the sky, at the bottom of South America.
This is what would happen if we happened to be on a spinning globe…
And it does not take much intelligence to see how our view of the path of the sun in the sky is changing from perpendicular to almost horizontal in respect to the viewer.
At the equator sun’s path is perpendicular and at the south pole it is horizontal. It is as if you had moved 90 degrees around a globe and were looking at the path of the sun from a different perspective…
So there is most certainly midnight sun at the Antarctic, and this most certainly proves the currently accepted flat earth map is incorrect.
The reason there are not so many Antarctic 24 hour videos is there is no one down there to film them. No one lives there. So who will make the videos? And you can’t even visit, except for a few hours, so not long enough to film the sun for 24 hours. Only there are about a dozen scientific posts manned by a few scientists, like Australia has got 3, US has some, etc. But otherwise there is no one down there to film the sun….
Anyhow it is real, I can vouch for it, and you know that.
And as far as the climate, without land it is going to be much colder. Because the ice and the ocean water is much more reflective than the darker forests, land, etc. So water and ice are going to reflect most of the sun’s heat and light away in the south but the land and forests will absorb and hold a lot of the heat in the North.
So as far as I can tell from my actual investigations the situation in the South is colder for sure, but otherwise similar to the situation in the North.
And there is certainly midnight sun in the Antarctic summer. There are flights from Australia to South America that take 12 hours or so, consistent with the globe and impossible on the flat earth map. Satellites do exist. Some may be balloons, but balloons are not possible at the height at which most satellites operate.. And even if they are balloons, they are satellites and they are up there in the sky working and we use them every day for GPS, we get the weather maps from them, etc, etc.
So this idea of flat earth people denying provable reality, it just proves they are not really very intelligent people. How can people not believe things that are clearly provable and real? Midnight sun in the Antarctic is provable and real — I went down there and proved it for myself at least, satellites are provable and real, the direct flights between Australia and South America are real, I have personally flown on them twice.
So flat earthers will never get anywhere if they continue to defy easily provable realities.
I do not discount the possibility of the earth being flat. But you can not expect anyone to “buy it” if your flat earth model requires people to claim that provable realities are false. You have to present a flat earth model that is consistent with our observable reality. Not like the current flat earthers who deny the observable reality because the reality does not fit with their model.
That is not logical…