Airplane pilots don’t adjust course for the curve

If the Earth were truly a sphere 25,000 miles in circumference, airplane pilots would have to constantly correct their altitudes downwards so as to not fly straight off into outer space.

This is a mistake, it is not a proof the earth is flat. Airline pilots have an altimeter which they use to keep the plane at a fixed altitude [distance from the earth] and also they aim at the horizon. So if the earth is a globe and you keep your airplane at a fixed distance from the earth then automatically you are correcting your course to remain at a fixed distance from the earth, in other words you are going around the curve of the earth. Also by aiming at the horizon that will cause you to constantly follow the curve of the earth.

So airline pilots already have two perfectly good systems in place that ensure they will follow the curve of the earth if it is a globe and these systems will work equally well to enable them to stay a fixed distance from a flat plane if the earth is flat.

The conclusion is airline pilots do adjust for the curve, if it exists, so this does not prove or disprove the flat earth or the globe earth.

 

62 Replies to “Airplane pilots don’t adjust course for the curve”

  1. Kevin McMillen

    I wrote this to Dubay about his 2777ft drop per minute claim.

    The problem is that you’re not doing the correct math equation.You’re taking the drop in 500 miles, 166,667ft and dividing by 60 minutes, or total flight time, to get the correct but ridiculous number of 2,777ft per minute drop.

    To simplify, use 600 miles per hour, divide by 60 minutes means you’re flying 10 miles per minute, 10x10x8/12=67ft roughly. So, which is it? Is the plane dropping 2,777ft per minute or 67ft per minute? Neither.

    If the plane is flying 10 miles per minute that means it’s going 1 mile in 6 seconds. Is an 8 inch drop in 6 seconds the correct answer? That’s really not much of a drop but that’s still not correct.

    A 747 is about 250ft in length. 250ft/5280=.0473 of a mile. The plane is .0473 of a mile long.

    .0473x.0473×8=.017 of an inch. In the planes length the earth drops .017 of an inch. That’s just a little over 1/64th of an inch.

    Theoretically an airplane could maintain a flight altitude just a little over 1/64th of an inch out of level and circumnavigate the entire globe.

    I say theoretically because there are so many forces involved the plane’s computer or the pilot are always making corrections.

    Hopefully facts will prevail in this silly flat earth craze!

    Kevin McMillen

    • madhudvisa

      Hi Keven

      Yes. This whole idea that if the earth was a globe planes would fly off into space because they are not putting their nose down is ridiculous.

      In the olden days the pilot was always aiming at the horizon, that would automatically correct for the globe, and he was keeping at a fixed height above the earth with his altimeter. So he was constantly correcting for the globe by constantly aiming at the horizon and keeping the plane at a constant height above the ground. So now the computers are doing the same thing. Constantly correcting.

      So it is just a crazy idea. There’s no need to do the maths actually. Because either of these things would automatically correct for the globe. If you stay at a constant height above the surface of the earth then no matter what shape the earth is you will follow that shape. And if you point at the horizon also that will keep you following the contour of the earth below you. No matter what shape it is…

      • Lee

        WOW. Both of you are in dire need of schooling. Please show us the scientific proof of curvature. You can’t because there is none. This is out to universities all over.
        A CHALLENGE TO PROFESSORS, SCIENTISTS, PHYSICIST’S and generally delusional globe believers…
        Photograph and photoshop are 2 different things.
        The 1st is real, the 2nd is Computer generated.
        NASA utilizes 100% CGI for ALL of their published images as do ALL other space agencies so please don’t waste time with using this as proof or ANY other military or deceptively claimed to be private agency as follows…
        China National Space Administration (CNSA)
        European Space Agency (ESA)
        Russian Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos)
        Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO)
        Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA)
        German Aerospace Center (DLR)
        Italian Space Agency (ASI)
        National Centre for Space Studies (France)
        Canadian Space Agency
        SpaceX.
        Further, Images taken with a fisheye lens ARE NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING AND WON’T BE CONSIDERED.
        I will gladly debate AFTER scientific proof of a spinning ball earth. My qualifications, (or lack thereof)…
        I’ve worked briefly as a college professor and have over 2 years of research on the topic of Cosmology. I work as an advanced robotic systems programmer/analyst with a background in computer science with emphasis on automotive assembly line controls engineering and throughput enhancement. I’ve installed entire assembly lines for G.M., Ford, Diamler-Chrysler, NIssan, Toyota, and Auto-Alliance/Mazda and have worked under employ of G.M Cadillac and Diamler as Systems Analyst
        1st, I require prior to debate 100% scientific proof of the following…
        1. Curvature of the earth at 8 inches per mile SQUARED as specified in the Pythagoras Theorem, (To date has NEVER been done.)
        2. Proof of the earths motion as proven to be false in the advanced Michelson-Morley experiment.
        3. (optional) Proof of Einsteins theory of E=Mc2 which was originally designed to prove the Heliocentric model.
        If you truly believe in your education and can backup your cosmology/physics and astronomy I’m Here for you to completely humiliate! Just the think of the fun you’ll have making me look like a total IMBECILE??, AND HOW COOL YOU’LL LOOK TO YOUR PEERS????
        https://www.britannica.com/science/Michelson-Morley-experiment

        • Rob Ross

          Lee, maybe you can prove through scientific facts how the earth is flat?
          As far as an answer to your question, the reason we know the earth is round is:
          At a very basic level, we can see the Earth’s curvature through satellites that have been launched into space. Additionally, through the use of high-powered telescopes, it is possible to examine planets both in our solar system and beyond, and all of them are spherical in shape.

          There is a very deep, fundamental reason why the Earth is round: the force of gravity depends upon the distance between two interacting objects, and the only three-dimensional object you can make with a single distance is a sphere. We can measure the behavior of gravity in the laboratory with a variety of highly sensitive experiments. Each of these experiments shows that the force of gravity depends only on the mass of the two objects and the distance between them. If, on the other hand, you wanted to form a flattened object using gravity alone, the force of gravity would have to depend upon two, perpendicular distances in two perpendicular directions.

          • Flat Earth Facts

            Hi Rob

            Yes. You have given two of the basic ‘proofs’ that the earth is a globe.

            • Photos from space
            • As above so below

            That is good if you believe in the photos from space. I must note that from a couple of hundred miles up [low earth orbit satellites, space station, etc, you can not see the curve of the earth.] If you take a ball and scale it to the 8,000 mile diameter of the earth and come up a couple of hundred miles you will see that is not sufficient to tell if the earth is flat or a globe. But you could see the whole globe from satellites in geosynchronous orbit, if you believe there are satellites in geosynchronous orbit.

            And your other point, because the moon is a globe, the sun is a globe, Mars is a globe, etc, then Earth must be a globe also. That is not proof, it is a deduction. Still possible that Earth may be different from the globes we see above our heads.

            As far as your claim that there are scientific experiments demonstrating gravity, the attraction between two objects. I have never heard of any such successful experiment. The scientific opinion is that no such experiment is possible on earth because any small gravitational pull that may be generated by your ‘heavy objects’ will be completely overwhelmed by the huge gravitational pull of the earth we stand on. So there is no experiment showing the working of gravity possible on the earth, at least not as far as I am aware.

          • Mark D

            Hey Rob. You say we can’t prove earth is flat. Yet the BEDFORD EXPERIMENT anyone can do go to Salt flats. Ocean lake where ever a large flat surface is. Look across Here in So Cal Huntington Beach Pier I can look towards Catalina island. Look at Harbor the city there. It’s 21 miles away at 5ft above water it’s a 296’ft drop behind curvature. You people say we never can prove it yet it has. Utah lake 21 miles laser across water. Sorry light refraction cannot give this much gain. It’s amazing you keep saying FE is crazy when numerous people have proven this experiment over and over. Where is the Round earth proof? NASA fake pictures. What proof have LAND SURVEYORS came out and said we don’t take the curvature into consideration. We have NASA DOCUMENTS SR71 flight dynamics for a external payload page 8 I believe or 10. So many documents that mention a FLAT EARTH NON ROTATING. so explain why they would use such terminology. Please Einstein. Ohh wait. Einstein tried to prove the rotation of the earth and couldn’t. To this day no one has been able to prove any rotation of the earth. The Air Force has tried. So if your done bad mouthing everyone. Show us any proof of a globe that we can go out a test. Cause I bought a telescope and looked for myself it’s the inly way people will believe.

        • TJ

          Brilliant. The theory of relativity was thrown at the Michelson-Morley Experiment because they didn’t detect the aether. But they did in the Michelson-Gale, The Sagnac, and Airy’s Failure Experiments. No other experiments have been done since to calculate the velocity at which the Earth spins because science is funded by the government? I’m sure many indoctrinated-driven people would like to debate Lee. But it’s impossible to produce proof of a curvature, that Earth moves, gravity (density and buoyancy are a natural law) or ‘E=mc2’ which was not discovered by Einstein and has since been proven wrong. Lee won’t be debated. I urge everyone reading this to grasp on to the concept that all the oceans on Earth wrap around a ball 25,000 miles in circumference with a gravitational pull from a molten magnetic core.
          Science has proven that a magnet heated into liquid form has no magnetic properties. Now try and rationalize that the level of water bends which it does not and is a law violation in Fluid Dynamics.
          Here is a link explaining the facts.
          https://waterslevel.com/

        • Tim Andrews

          WOW. You are in dire need of schooling. Please show us the scientific proof of flatness. You can’t because there is none. This is out to flat earthers all over.
          A CHALLENGE TO CONSPIRACY THEORISTS, PEOPLE WHO DO “RESEARCH” BY WATCHING CRACKPOT YOUTUBE VIDEOS and generally delusional flat Earth believers…

          Photograph and photoshop are 2 different things.
          The 1st is real, the 2nd is Computer generated.

          Show us the photograph, not cgi, of the flat Earth with both Africa and North America visible in the same *photograph*. Flat earthers have lots of paintings and CGI, but where are the photographs?

          There are lots of photographs of the round earth taken from space, with unproven accusations that they are CGI, but where are the flat Earth photos? Why are they all just obvious illustrations?

          • Flat Earth Facts

            There is a serious shortage of believable full globe images from space. There is no live feed. Which certainly there would be if they have all these things in space with a full view of the globe earth from so many perspectives.

            Such realtime images of the globe would not just be nice to see, but would be tremendously helpful in many scientific fields. But we don’t have them at all.

            And realistically most of the photos of earth from space are admittedly not. But are compositions made in Photoshop.

            So there really is a very serious lack of photographic evidence of the globe earth from space.

            We certainly have got very detailed satellite imagery of most of the surface of the earth from low-earth satellites. But virtually nothing in the realm of high resolution actual imagery of the globe spinning in space.

            There is some weather satellite imagery, but there is a very good chance it is computer generated based on all the data they have from their low-earth sattelites.

            So I do not find much convincing evidence at all for our ability to take photos of the earth from space. Because we only have a handful of photos of earth from space.

            So this is really a very valid argument from the flat earth people.

          • Tim Andrews

            “There is a serious shortage of believable full globe images from space”

            There appear to be absolutely no believable full flat Earth photos.

            While you can argue whether many of the photos of the round Earth were made with CGI or otherwise faked, there are no photos of the full flat Earth to make that argument about.

            If the Earth is really flat, why can’t we see a photo of it? We can see all kinds of photos of the round Earth that people argue about. Where are the flat Earth photos?

          • Flat Earth Facts

            Tim. You have a problem thinking logically. The reason we don’t have believable globe photos is because they are unable to take the globe photos from a sufficient distance away from the earth to provide them for us.

            If they could take believable globe earth photos we would have millions of them, we would have super high-definition views of the globe from every angle, constant imagery.

            So the point is the imagery is missing. So we don’t have the globe imagery. So how would we have the flat imagery? That is the whole point. We don’t have the imagery. So we don’t know if it is a globe or what it is.

            That is the point. So there is no point saying we don’t have flat imagery. The point is we don’t have believable globe imagery. If you can present the conclusive believable globe imagery, then the problem is solved.

            All you have to do is go up high enough and look down. But it does not seem we are able to do that?

            No man has ever left low-earth orbit, except for the fake Apollo missions, which also did not leave low-earth orbit.

            And we don’t know how to send men out of low-earth orbit yet either…

            So this is the problem. Lack of globe proof. That means globe is a theory. And I admit it is a good one. But if you can provide actual proof then the discussion is over, however, at least so far, they are not providing conclusive proof. It is a good model. But it remains a model, a theory.

    • TJ

      Here you go…
      “Since the Earth is, as we’re TOLD, a Sphere 25,000 miles in circumference… radius 3959 miles, then Pilots traveling for 1 Hour @ a typical cruising speed of 500 mph — to simply MAINTAIN ALTITUDE, would constantly have to adjust their altitude downwards, (to Compensate for the Curvature) and descend on AVERAGE 2,789 Feet EVERY MINUTE !!”
      http://www.waterslevel.com

      • Flat Earth Facts

        NO. Because pilots, and these days auto pilots, fly with an altimeter. Which means they aim at the horizon, which means they are automatically constantly adjusting their angle to point towards the horizon, which will automatically cause them to follow the curve of the earth.

      • Tim Andrews

        “to simply MAINTAIN ALTITUDE, would constantly have to adjust their altitude downwards”

        No, to MAITNAIN altitude, a pilot has to constantly control their aircraft to keep the altitude (distance between the plane and the ground) the same.

        If a pilot adjusted their altitude downwards, they would be DESCENDING, and getting closer to the ground, not MAINTAINing altitude.

        • Flat Earth Facts

          Yes, of course you are correct Tim. They are adjusting for altitude so that will automatically cause them to follow the curve if it is a globe. This is one of the many invalid flat earth arguments.

    • Douglas

      whichever course a pilot sets is called a “great circle” which if stayed on will bring them back to the same point.
      if a pilot tries to follow a line of latitude a course correction would be required.
      a flight from any two points on the globe can always be great circles, not necessarily be lines of latitude unless it happens to be the equator.

    • madhudvisa

      Pilots aim at the horizon, so by doing this, if the earth is curved, they are automatically adjusting for the curve, similarly computers they use the gyroscope and the altimeter, to keep the plane at a fixed height above the earth, which will automatically adjust for the curve if there is one.

        • TJ

          Lee, obviously the above globe believers have not spoken to a pilot that uses these instruments every day. A gyro is exactly what you described. An altimeter measures air pressure to measure height above sea level. To say either of these instruments aims at the horizon and adjusts for or they are computer calculated to adjust for the Earth’s curvature is just rediculousness.

          • Flat Earth Facts

            TJ. Think for a few seconds. If the altimeter measures the height above sea level and the pilot uses the altimeter to remain at a certain height above sea level then he is automatically adjusting for the curve of the earth. He is adjusting to keep the plane at 30,000 feet, for example, then as the earth curves below him he adjusts to remain 30,000 feet above it automatically following the curve of the earth, if it is curved, or, if it is flat, remaining 30,000 feet above it.

  2. Douglas Nelson

    pilots fly great circles which lines of longitude are not concentric like the lines of latitude. the roads across the prairies do indeed require correction periodically

  3. Leroy Turknett

    Tesla said that gravity does not exist and I believe him. So If I am standing facing the rising sun and I jump towards the sun, Why can’t I jump further towards the sun than I could away from the sun

    • Derek Jacobs

      You are weighed down by a “blanket” of particles above your head. While it is easy to jump and break through some of those particles (like diving into water), it takes great force to go up or down further. Blanket Theory.

  4. Earth Globe

    Gravity is a thing…
    Centuries of scientists and researchers developing and proving the theory of gravity yet in the 21st century, people think all this hard evidence is false. 21st century, I’m gonna lose it with flat-ass earthers and people who think they’re suddenly Icarus and can jump towards the sun.

    • DocMatheny

      Define gravity! Oh, that’s right, it’s used to describe everything that can’t be explained on the imaginary spinning waterball. Magnetism, buoyancy and density account for the things that imaginary gravity make claim to.

    • TJ

      Scientists cannot explain gravity, it is a natural law that consists of density and buoyancy. Since when did any type of scientist prove that it’s a force pulling objects to a center of a ball by a molten magnetic core? That’s utter lunacy just like the ball… Navy gunners can sight targets with lasers from 100 miles away and there are hundreds of photos of Chicago from the shoreline and bottom of the buildings up from 50+- 60+ miles away. I’d like to know how a baller like yourself explains these phenomena?

  5. Rob Ross

    This is all very interesting stuff. Nobody has given scientific proof the earth is flat. NOBODY!
    So for you so called geniuses holding on to this idea, riddle me this.
    “If I leave from my home and walk in a straight line for just over 40,000 km.(I can walk on water and over mountains easily for this scenario)…Where would I end up??

    • Flat Earth Facts

      Yes. You are correct Rob. No one has given any scientific proof the earth is flat. You can say there is no absolute scientific proof the earth is a globe but there is a fully functional, logical and quite reasonable globe earth model that in almost all cases makes very accurate predictions of practically everything we see happening around us. So it is quite reasonable and logical and scientific to accept that the earth is most likely a globe with quite a high degree of confidence.

      However, there is no working flat earth model even, if you ask them how it works they will just say, “We don’t know how it works, we’re not scientists… But we know it is flat…”

      So these are not equal models, globe earth and flat earth…
      But as far as your walking idea, on the generally understood flat earth it depends on the direction you walk. All directions, except south, would result in the same experience you expect on a globe. Even if you walked South on the flat earth you would come to Antartica and it is too extremely cold and desolate, you can not go very far. So Actually no matter what direction you walked on the flat earth you would have the same experience as you would expect to have on the globe earth.

      East and West are circular, as they are on the globe, same thing, and North, you will get to the North Pole in both cases, and South, you will end up at Antartica. However flat earthers believe Antartica is an outer ring, not a pole. But you would not be able to tell the difference as you were walking there.

      • Rob Ross

        My scenario gave parameters: I could walk on water, over mountain, through the cold Antartica was assumed. My point, is I would end up where I started on a globe. But if the earth was flat where would I end up? I bet no flat earther could give a reasonable final destination. If they say a large ice wall, then please provide a picture, and also what is on the other side of that ice wall? I think maybe they’ve watched too much game of thrones.

        • Flat Earth Facts

          Yes Rob, you would end up where you started on a globe. But on our globe you would not get far into Antarctica before you died. So you can’t do this on the Earth. The distances are very great. Even on the Antartica we believe on the globe. There is no fuel there, there is no heat there, the temperature can be down around minus 90 degrees Celsius, so my point stands, you are correct, if you walked on a globe you would eventually come back to your starting point but you have to understand it is not possible to do this on the Earth. So you are presuming the earth is a globe, however you can not test that using the scenario you have given.

          Everyone presumes the earth is a globe, however proving the earth is a globe, that is a different thing.

          • Rob Ross

            As I stated before, I’m my scenario I can withstand the cold. Please explain where I would if I walked in a straight line, any direction for 40,000 km.
            You can’t because you know I would end up where I started.

          • Flat Earth Facts

            Yes. If you were on a globe you would end up where you started. But the point is you can’t do this on the earth, so you can’t test to see if the earth is a globe or not. That is the problem. It is difficult to come up with a practical test you can use, that you can actually carry out, to prove the earth is a globe.

            My point is the results of your test would be identical on the flat earth as proposed by the flat earthers and the globe earth as proposed by the globe earthers. Because in either case, there is now way you can actually withstand the cold. So we have to be realistic.

        • DocMatheny

          It’s the same on both models for East and west. North – South circumnavigation ALONE destroys the magical spinning waterball. There has NEVER been North – South circumnavigation…NEVER!

      • Rob Ross

        “Flat Earth Facts” just stated “quite reasonable and logical and scientific to accept that the earth is most likely a globe with quite a high degree of confidence.”
        I am confused by your moniker then

        • Flat Earth Facts

          Hi Rob

          The purpose of the “Flat Earth Facts” website is to discover the truth about the shape of the earth. So if it is a globe, I have no problem with that, we are just exploring the possibilities.

          Personally I am not convinced it is a globe, I am convinced it is not as the flat earthers present, their map, for example, is obviously completely incorrect.

          Anyhow the current situation is the only logical, scientific and working model we have is the globe earth model. It does have flaws and unexplained grey areas and does depend on the magic of gravity to explain the unexplainable. However it is a good working model. Whereas the flat earth people don’t have a model. If you ask them how it works if the earth is flat, they say they don’t know how it works. If you ask them to draw a map that works if the earth is flat, they can’t draw the map…

          So there is no competition between the flat earth theory and the globe earth theory, globe earth wins for sure, flat earth is not in the running. If you consider it from the point of view of science.

          Because for science you have to have a theory, you have to have a model, and your model can then be tested by comparing the predictions of your model to our actual observations. So the globe earthers have their theory and model and we can use their model to make predictions and compare the predictions of the globe earth model with our actual observations, and for the most part, the observations will match the predictions of the globe earth model.

          However flat earthers, they don’t even have a theory, they all have different ideas, there is no agreed on theory, and without a theory there is no question of a model. So flat earthers they can not present a predictive model, because they don’t understand how it could work if the earth was flat… That is actually a big problem. So flat earth is not science, because they don’t have an agreed on theory and have not been able to construct a valid predictive model based on their theory.

          So flat earth is more like a religion. They have a belief, but they don’t feel they need to have any science or working model to prove their theory. They don’t have to prove their theory because they know the earth is flat, they don’t need a model because they know the earth is flat…

          However, my point, is although the globe earthers have presented a very beautiful theory with quite an accurate predictive scientific model, that is not a guarantee it is correct.

          So what we are really doing here, ultimately, is trying to explore the possibilities of developing another valid scientific predictive model that explains our observations assuming that the earth is not a globe.

          Science has done a good job of explaining how the earth being a spinning globe can explain our observations, we want to explore and see if it is possible to make an equally good theory and predictive scientific model without presuming the earth is a spinning globe.

          I am fairly sure we have no actual proof the earth is a spinning globe. At least no one has ever presented such conclusive proof to me. So really it is possible that we are not on a spinning globe. There are certainly many indications that the earth is stationary for example. There is no indication the earth is spinning. Nothing we can measure will indicates that. There is certainly a rotation happening, in the sky everything is spinning around once in 24 hours. So there are two ways of understanding this. We can presume we are spinning and the rotation is caused by our spinning, or everything could be spinning around the earth. And there is no way really for us to tell one way or the other, from earth, because it would look the same. However if the earth was spinning we should be able to detect that spinning and we can’t…

          • Rob Ross

            Oh my. Ok I get it. I thought flat earthers were being serious here.
            Have fun with all this. I have better things to do than debate a made up theory.
            Earth standing still?? Is this a serious theory?

          • Flat Earth Facts

            Yes. That is the problem with flat earthers. They don’t have a working model. But yes, certainly, stationary earth, that is quite possible.

            All we can tell from earth is that there is a rotation. So that rotation can be explained by the earth rotating. Or, as was presumed by older cultures, the stars and other luminaries were rotating in the sky.

            So both are possible and equally valid explanations for what we observe. Everything scientifically we have presumed about the globe earth would work equally well if we were to propose a stationary earth in the center of a rotating field of stars, moon, planets, etc.

            And there are indications certainly that the earth is stationary. We can’t detect the movement of the earth, which we should be able to do if it was moving.

            So these are two equally valid presumptions. It is only that current science has presumed a moving rotating globe, and we have become accustomed to that concept, but a stationary earth surrounded by a moving field of luminaries is an equally valid scientific proposition.

  6. TJ

    No to the contrary, you’ve got it quite wrong- look again… Science can’t explain gravity, it is density and buoyancy. It is not a force pulling you to a molten, magnetic core at the center of ball earth, so I’d let go of the fairy tale.
    https://waterslevel.com/

    • ON THE LEVEL

      “Science can’t explain gravity, it is density and buoyancy. It is not a force pulling you to a molten, magnetic core at the center of ball earth, so I’d let go of the fairy tale.”

      The ball Earth molten core is fiction. Density and buoyancy explains observed phenomenon, but you left something out.
      Denser objects sink and lighter objects rise in fluids ( liquid or gas ). That’s objective observational evidence of directional change. Moreover, by the first law of motion ( Aristotelian ) any object in motion must be set in motion by another and the stronger moves the weaker.

      A force is required to arrange the observations noted above. You are correct to doubt Newtonian/Einsteinian explanations ( I do and so even did Newton ) but it doesn’t mean force(s) are not involved. Nikola Tesla and others have their own explanations. There exists evidence ethereal/em forces play the dominant role here. There exists experiments indicating that rotating objects experience reduced inertial mass.
      Including, rotating magnets appearing to reduce mass.

      The Earth is fascinating, I recommend no one allow theories and conjectures to beguile their minds. Observe seek to understand and arrive at your own conclusions.

      Thanks TJ

  7. TJ

    No ‘scientist’ has but what scientists have proven with the Michelson-Morley, the Michelson-Gale, the Sagnac and Airy’s Failure is that the Earth is stationary and does not move. Mainstream scientism tried to throw Einstein’s theory of relativity at the Michelson-Morley experiment trying to explain away the fact that there was no ether was due to the theory of relativity everything is relative. Btw, 100 renowned scientists had shredded Einstein’s theories to pieces. He didn’t discover E=mc2 in the Sagnac experiment debunked the Einstein theory.
    Now as I’ve said in a previous comment… Navy gunners can sight targets with lasers from 100 miles away and there are hundreds of photos of Chicago from the shoreline and bottom of the buildings up from 50+- 60+ miles away. I’d like to know how a baller like yourself explains these phenomena? These tests, experiments and observations have been done all over the world. If its we can see way beyond the purported formula for the curvature of the Earth which doesn’t exist then you don’t need a lab coat to prove it.

  8. Omi

    for those who said that flatearthers dont have a model or can draw their model map!!! i actually stop here if this is the idea that you guys have and I feel sorry for your knowledge as I felt you were trying to be smart and mock flat earthers.

    • Flat Earth Facts

      But it’s true Omi, Flat earther’s don’t have an agreed model, every flat earther has different ideas and none of them work, in the sense that none of the flat earth ideas are consistent with our actual observations. And flat earthers are unable to draw a map on a flat plane that works, or that is consistient with our actual experiences traveling around the “Globe”.

      • TJ

        Your ignorance precedes you, you speak without any knowledge backing it up. The Azimuthal Equidistant New Standard Map of The World from 1892 has proven to be far more accurate than any nonsensical globe. If you give me your email address I will send you a PDF book called 16 Emergency Landings Proving Flat Earth. The book cannot be debunked in any way and off lights of course have been confirmed. It also has information from the USGS.

        • Flat Earth Facts

          Yes. I have read about the strange emergency landings. Problem is I have personally proven that map is incorrect by flying from Auckland to Buenos Ares in less than 12 hours. Look at your map, it is not possible on your map, but it is what we would expect on the globe.

          Also if it was as you claim it to be the sun never goes south of the Tropic of Capricorn, so if I was down at the southern most tip of South America, on your flat earth, the sun must remain in the northern part of the sky. It can not appear in the south. But you can check my video showing the sun doing a 360 degree circle around me at the southern most tip of South America. At that point it does go below the horizon in the south for a few hours, but you can see sun is in the south. Not possible on your flat earth map.

          So I do not eliminate the possibility of the earth being flat. Maybe, but currently flat earth people, they can not produce a model that predicts our actual observations and experiences navigating the earth and what we see in the sky.

          So that would be required for thoughtful people to consider the possibility. Thoughtful people, you can tell them “the earth is flat,” they will ask you to explain how the earth could be flat. Flat earthers will just say “I don’t know how, I just know it’s flat…”

          So this is the problem….

          No working flat earth model…

  9. DocMatheny

    So which one of the over 300 maps of the magical spinning cartoon waterball do you subscribe to? I have a question I asked Dr. Danny Faulkner during an exchange, “At what height does atmosphere change to a vacuum?” So I’m asking you that same question.

    • Flat Earth Facts

      No flat map can represent a globe. They are all projections and all inaccurate. And everyone knows that.

      However, if the earth is a globe, the continents should be, and presumably are, correctly represented, in terms of their relative size and distances from each other.

      So all flat maps are incorrect, in the sense they are all projections of a globe onto a flat plane. But the globe itself, that is the only way you can accurately depict the earth, with correctly proportioned continents and relative distances.

      So the globes should be correct and all the flat maps are just projections of a globe and are all distorted.

      • ON THE LEVEL

        Flat Earth maps pre-date globes and therefore cannot simply be projections of globes. Many maps prior to the 1540’s when globes started to appear show the continents appearing much the way we claim them to appear now. Most flat maps today have errors because the relative size and apparent import of land masses are inflated / deflated or mutated for political and ideological reasons not because of errors arising from the supposed practice of projecting curved land masses on to a flat surface.

        You’ve made this dubious claim several times and cannot prove it.

        • Flat Earth Facts

          This is not a claim, this is a fact. All the flat maps, at least which we use today, including your flat earth map, are projections of a globe on a flat piece of paper. So by definition, if the earth is a globe, it is impossible to accurately represent the shapes and relative distances of the continents on a flat plane. So everyone knows all flat maps are distorted to present the globe on a flat plane. This is not because of political or ideological reasons, although maybe some country may prefer a projection that makes their country look bigger and others smaller, but the real reason is it is impossible to accurately depict the continents on a globe on a flat piece of paper.

          So my challenge to you would be to prove that the representation of the continents on the globe is incorrect, that in reality the continents are different from how they are represented on a globe.

          Because the reverse is true also, if the earth were a flat plane it would not be possible to accurately represent the sizes and relative distances of the continents on a globe.

          • TJ

            Give me your email address and I will send you ’16 Emergency Landings Proving Flat Earth’. This will shatter all of the research you just laid out. You will also see that nothing in that book can be debunked. Copernicus moved the Earth from the centre of the universe to being one of a number of planets revolving around the Sun. This model wasn’t accepted until 1543. The fact is, science can disprove too many things based this model today.

          • Flat Earth Facts

            Yes. I have seen it. And yes, earth in the center or sun in the center, it is a matter of religion. Current scientists are sun worshippers, so they put sun in the center, it is their religion, that’s all. It is equally valid to have the earth in the center and stationary.

          • ON THE LEVEL

            CORRECTION:

            Previously, I wrote:

            “Globe makers depict the continental land masses on flat paper then wrap them around a ball or hemisphere to render a globe, precisely the opposite of what you claim.”

            This is only true in part. As the video I provided showed, globe makers do indeed render their depiction of the Earth’s continents on a flat paper surface & then wrap said paper around a hemisphere & in total a globe. However, while continents and areas in the polar regions appear on the globe without noticeable alteration from the flat surface original the equatorial regions have excess paper removed to force a fit ( you are correct a globe is not a plane ).
            Note the paper removed contains no Earth surface rendering it’s left blank by design. However, the continents and land masses themselves are not adjusted at all from the flat surfaced original paper now wrapped around a globe!

            Since you present yourself as one who claims to know the globe model so well, please tell me if as you say the land masses on globes based on the globe model are all depicted accurately how is it possible the land masses can be accurately rendered directly on a flat surface and then pasted on a globe? You claimed this could not be done. In addition, how can the distances between many polar land masses remain as rendered on a flat surface?

            Globes are not as accurate as you think and their source material are Flat Maps!!!

            Further, you may or may not be aware that many globes depict the massive ocean bottoms in topographical relief. The Nazi’s first did this and deluded many into believing they explored and supposedly carried out sonar analysis of these entire ocean bottom regions! In fact, the ocean floor has not been imaged and analyzed to anything remotely like depicted and remains to science a mystery!

            Would like to know your thoughts and have a great weekend!

          • Flat Earth Facts

            On the Level, of course… You can only print on flat sheets. So if you want to make a globe, you can’t print on the globe. So you have to print it on paper and stick it on the globe. But as you say, it is done in sections, and the sections fit together and cover the globe. Please check this website:

            https://www.brighthubeducation.com/help-with-geography/123525-how-to-make-make-a-homemade-globe-for-a-project/

            You will see how you can print a globe on flat paper and turn it into an actual globe.

            As you say, it is done in sections and there are missing bits and you have to fold it together to make the globe.

            So check out the page and you will see how it is done. The way it is done is continents are not correct when printed on the flat paper but become correct when wrapped around the globe.

    • On The Level

      NASA doesn’t know. They last claimed the moon was within Earth’s atmosphere and said moon was ~237,000 miles away. Of course they can claim just about anything and large numbers will accept it. Ask Dr. Danny Faulkner if he has personal experience observing whatever altitude he claims the supposed vacuum of space starts or did he acquire his proffered answer from someone else.

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