Magic Gravity on a Globe Earth

Gravity is the magic glue that holds the ball earth theory together. Whenever there is any question as to how it works the answer from the scientists is almost invariably “gravity”.

Science informs us: “Gravity is a natural phenomenon by which all things with mass are brought toward (or gravitate toward) one another, including objects ranging from atoms and photons, to planets and stars.

“Gravity is the weakest of the four fundamental forces of physics, still it is the dominant force, and is the cause of the formation, shape and orbit of astronomical bodies. For example, gravity causes the Earth and the other planets to orbit the Sun, it also causes the Moon to orbit the Earth, and causes the formation of tides, the formation and evolution of the Solar System, stars and galaxies.”

In other words, everything that we don’t understand is done automatically and magically by gravity…

Somehow gravity magically and inexplicably drags the entire lower-atmosphere of the Earth in perfect synchronization up to some undetermined height where this progressively faster spinning atmosphere gives way to the non-spinning, non-gravitized, non-atmosphere of infinite vacuum.

Flat earthers say that if this was the case fireworks and rain would behave differently than what we experience. This is perhaps an incorrect assumption as if, in theory, the whole atmosphere and everything in it could spin with the earth at a constant speed gravity could attract the rain, fireworks, etc, to the center of the globe earth.

They question how the atmosphere can exist right next to the void of space and what is stopping the atmosphere from being sucked out into space. If we ask the scientists I am sure they will answer, “Obviously it is gravity…” But this is not a very satisfying or convincing answer.

Flat earthers are also skeptical that gravity can keep all the water in the oceans stuck to the surface of the planet while it is spinning and wobbling its way through the universe. They show the example of putting a wet tennis ball on a drill and spin it and we see the water does not stick to the tennis ball, on the contrary, it flies out everywhere. Of course the answer from science is simply “the oceans are held in their place on the surface of the globe by gravity.” So the natural question would be that if gravity is so strongly holding the oceans in place why does gravity allow little birds, bugs and planes to take of and travel freely in any direction they choose?

Gravity does not exist

Flat earthers contend that gravity does not exist and what when we experience objects falling it is not caused by gravity but rather the simple fact that more dense objects will fall in a less dense atmosphere. Which is exactly what we see happening. If we drop something more dense than air it will fall, but if we drop a helium filled balloon, lighter than air, it will not fall, gravity has no effect on it, instead it will rise up. Also gravity does not have any effect in the water for items that are less dense than water. So flat earthers contend we are seeing density, not gravity acting in these cases.

Gravity has never been proven

Flat earthers contend that although the concept of gravity is based on the theory that all things with mass gravitate or are attracted together we have never seen this. It has never been proven. Scientists say we can’t prove it on earth because earth is so heavy that the gravitational pull of the earth will make it impossible for us to test the theory…

Conclusion: Gravity is certainly a magical mystery and much more research is needed in this area. The flat earthers are raising very interesting questions in this regard.


Supporting Flat Earth Proofs

  • 23) Ball-believers often claim “gravity” magically and inexplicably drags the entire lower-atmosphere of the Earth in perfect synchronization up to some undetermined height where this progressively faster spinning atmosphere gives way to the non-spinning, non-gravitized, non-atmosphere of infinite vacuum space. Such non-sensical theories are debunked, however, by rain, fireworks, birds, bugs, clouds, smoke, planes and projectiles all of which would behave very differently if both the ball-Earth and its atmosphere were constantly spinning Eastwards at 1000mph.
  • 157) If “gravity” magically dragged the atmosphere along with the spinning ball Earth, that would mean the atmosphere near the equator would be spinning around at over 1000mph, the atmosphere over the mid-latitudes would be spinning around 500mph, and gradually slower down to the poles where the atmosphere would be unaffected at 0mph. In reality, however, the atmosphere at every point on Earth is equally unaffected by this alleged force, as it has never been measured or calculated and proven non-existent by the ability of airplanes to fly unabated in any direction without experiencing any such atmospheric changes.
  • 158) If “gravity” magically dragged the atmosphere along with the spinning ball Earth, that would mean the higher the altitude, the faster the spinning atmosphere would have to be turning around the center of rotation. In reality, however, if this were happening then rain and fireworks would behave entirely differently as they fell down through progressively slower and slower spinning atmosphere. Hot-air balloons would also be forced steadily faster Eastwards as they ascended through the ever increasing atmospheric speeds.
  • 159) If there were progressively faster and faster spinning atmosphere the higher the altitude that would mean it would have to abruptly end at some key altitude where the fastest layer of gravitized spinning atmosphere meets the supposed non-gravitized non-spinning non-atmosphere of infinite vacuum space! NASA has never mentioned what altitude this impossible feat allegedly happens, but it is easily philosophically refuted by the simple fact that vacuums cannot exist connected to non-vacuums while maintaining the properties of a vacuum – not to mention, the effect such a transition would have on a rocket “space ship” would be disastrous.
  • 32) If “gravity” is credited with being a force strong enough to hold the world’s oceans, buildings, people and atmosphere stuck to the surface of a rapidly spinning ball, then it is impossible for “gravity” to also simultaneously be weak enough to allow little birds, bugs, and planes to take-off and travel freely unabated in any direction.
  • 33) If “gravity” is credited with being a force strong enough to curve the massive expanse of oceans around a globular Earth, it would be impossible for fish and other creatures to swim through such forcefully held water.
  • 195) Astronomers say the magical magnetism of gravity is what keeps all the oceans of the world stuck to the ball-Earth. They claim that because the Earth is so massive, by virtue of this mass it creates a magic force able to hold people, oceans and atmosphere tightly clung to the underside of the spinning ball. Unfortunately, however, they cannot provide any practical example of this on a scale smaller than the planetary. A spinning wet tennis ball, for instance, has the exact opposite effect of the supposed ball-Earth! Any water poured over it simply falls off the sides, and giving it a spin results in water flying off 360 degrees like a dog shaking after a bath. Astronomers concede the wet tennis ball example displays the opposite effect of their supposed ball-Earth, but claim that at some unknown mass, the magic adhesive properties of gravity suddenly kick in allowing the spinning wet tennis ball-Earth to keep every drop of “gravitized” water stuck to the surface. When such an unproven theory goes against all experiments, experience and common sense, it is high time to drop the theory.
  • 115) The existing laws of density and buoyancy perfectly explained the physics of falling objects long before knighted Freemason “Sir” Isaac Newton bestowed his theory of “gravity” upon the world. It is a fact that objects placed in denser mediums rise up while objects placed in less dense mediums sink down. To fit with the heliocentric model which has no up or down, Newton instead claimed objects are attracted to large masses and fall towards the center. Not a single experiment in history, however, has shown an object massive enough to, by virtue of its mass alone, cause other smaller masses to be attracted to it as Newton claims “gravity” does with Earth, the Sun, Moon, Stars and Planets.
  • 116) There has also never been a single experiment in history showing an object massive enough to, by virtue of its mass alone, cause another smaller mass to orbit around it. The magic theory of gravity allows for oceans, buildings and people to remain forever stuck to the underside of a spinning ball while simultaneously causing objects like the Moon and satellites to remain locked in perpetual circular orbits around the Earth. If these were both true then people should be able to jump up and start orbiting circles around the Earth, or the Moon should have long ago been sucked into the Earth. Neither of these theories have ever been experimentally verified and their alleged results are mutually exclusive.
  • 117) Newton also theorized and it is now commonly taught that the Earth’s ocean tides are caused by gravitational lunar attraction. If the Moon is only 2,160 miles in diameter and the Earth 8,000 miles, however, using their own math and “law,” it follows that the Earth is 87 times more massive and therefore the larger object should attract the smaller to it, and not the other way around. If the Earth’s greater gravity is what keeps the Moon in orbit, it is impossible for the Moon’s lesser gravity to supersede the Earth’s gravity, especially at Earth’s sea-level, where its gravitational attraction would even further out-trump the Moon’s. And if the Moon’s gravity truly did supersede the Earth’s causing the tides to be drawn towards it, there should be nothing to stop them from continuing onwards and upwards towards their great attractor.
  • 118) Furthermore, the velocity and path of the Moon are uniform and should therefore exert a uniform influence on the Earth’s tides, when in actuality the Earth’s tides vary greatly and do not follow the Moon. Earth’s lakes, ponds, marshes and other inland bodies of water also inexplicably remain forever outside the Moon’s gravitational grasp! If “gravity” was truly drawing Earth’s oceans up to it, all lakes, ponds and other bodies of standing water should certainly have tides as well.

17 Replies to “Magic Gravity on a Globe Earth”

  1. TEvn nguyE

    My dude, that picture you put in isn’t helping you (at least i n my opinion). Gravity pulls the ocean down, or should i say, gravity keeps the ocean down because the ocean does not exert any force against gravity besides the molecules moving into openings( like all liquids do). The bird can fly because it is exerting force against gravity. I’m a seventh grader, if some kid can do this, then I’m pretty sure you (the person who created the picture and who ever supports the message of the picture) can.

    • madhudvisa

      Hi Tevn

      You say gravity keeps the ocean down, and you imply that the ocean does not exert any force on gravity. That is incorrect. If you take a tennis ball and wet it and put it on the end of a drill and spin it around the water will not stay on the tennis ball. It will spread out due to centrifugal force. So if you have a ball spinning in the sky and try and put water on it the water will not stay, it will spin off due to centrifugal force. So if gravity is keeping the ocean down, as you say it is, and as we have to believe it is, if we are on a spinning ball. But there is a force which gravity has to fight against to keep the ocean down. The oceans will spin off the spinning earth due to centrifugal force, if they are not held down by gravity. So if you make a calculation of how much water is in the ocean and work out how heavy all the water in the ocean is you will start to understand what an immense force gravity has to exert on the oceans to keep them from spinning off into space. Then, I think, once you understand this, you will be able to appreciate the picture better.

      How can gravity exert such a strong force on the oceans, keeping them from spinning off into space, as we would expect them do to on a spinning ball. And at the same time allow a bird to effortlessly fly in the sky? There is a great contradiction here.

      The other problem is there does not really appear to be any force of gravity at all. Really what appears to be happening is caused by density. You know I am sure air is not very dense. So if you hold in your hand an object and let go it will fall to the ground. We have been taught it is falling to the ground because of gravity, and if there was no gravity it would just remain where it was when you let go of it…

      But actually the thing falls to the ground because it is more dense than the air. So if you put a more dense object in a less dense medium the more dense object will fall. If, on the other hand, you get a balloon and fill it with helium, a gas that is less dense, lighter, than the air, and you let go of that it will not fall to the ground, gravity will have no effect on your helium balloon, it will float up into the sky…

      So this falling down and rising up is caused by density, not gravity. We fall down towards the ground because we are more dense than the air, but if we, like the helium balloon, were less dense than the air, we would float up into the sky. So there is no gravity. It is density.

      • Lee

        Centrifugal force does not exist. If it existed, it would have forced the rotating sun out of its rotation above the flat earth. Unless it is attached to the north pole.

  2. Sarnaduti

    Great website and articles, documenting the various theories on the shape of the earth in one place!

    Well, I do not think that the point ‘the oceans are held to the earth’s surface, but that birds can still fly’ is a contradiction to the law of gravity, as put forward by scientists.

    Scientists do not say that gravity has to hold all objects with equal force. Scientists say that gravity is the phenomenon by which every mass attracts every other mass with a force that is proportional to the product of the masses, and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them. Mass meaning roughly the amount of substance present in the object.

    So, for the oceans, which have a huge mass, have a huge force on them. But the birds have very small mass, so the force of gravity on them is very small. It is not a contradiction of the law of gravity.

    Of course, the scientists are still flawed though, because they cannot explain the cause of gravity or what exactly it is or why it is there: that it is the prowess of Sankarsana – the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

    • Flat Earth Facts

      The problem is you are talking about Newtonian gravity which has been rejected by Einstein and others because it does not work. If it were true that objects were attracted to each other based on their weights there would be nothing to stop the earth being attracted by the sun. Earth would end up stuck on the sun. But all the planets have their fixed orbits and they do not deviate from their orbits. These orbits of the planets can not be explained at all by Newtonian gravity. So because it does not work Einstein created his insane definition of gravity as the bending of space time, so his idea seems to be that weight bends space time, a totally insane concept as time can not be bent or distorted in any way, and space, according to science, is empty, and you can’t bend nothing… But anyhow, his idea seems to be that this bending of space time creates the orbits around the heavier body. But it is crazy, illogical, insane.

      So the point is gravity does not work, Newtonian gravity does not work and Einstein’s gravity is just insane.

      However there is obviously some force pulling things down. This force can be counteracted by having a medium like air or water which will hold up things of a lesser density to the medium, counteracting the force of gravity. But take away the medium holding up the lower density items and gravity will act and they will fall to the ground at the 9.8 m/sec gravitational acceleration. That is what they call gravity and that exists. But you can not explain what is happening with the orbits of the planets using gravity.

      As far as the birds and the ocean, the reason the birds can fly is they are very light and have big wings and control the air, so they are actually floating on the air, like we can float on water. So the birds are being supported by the air just like we can be supported by the water and float on the water. So you are correct that this flat earth argument against gravity is not valid. But it is not exactly as you say. A 747 airplane is very heavy and it can fly also. But it is all about controlling the air and floating on the air. It is about adjusting the air so you can counteract the force of gravity by floating on the air.

      So scientists are flawed, they do describe a cause of the gravity, they say the gravity is caused by the weight of heavy objects, they say the earth’s gravity is caused by the weight of the earth. But they can not explain how it could work, how gravity causes the orbits of the planets for example. So they do have an explanation for the cause of gravity but they can not show this working experimentally and it does not work the way we would expect when we look at the planets for example. That is why Einstein felt it necessary to invent a new replacement for the flawed Newtonian gravity.

      • Sarnaduti

        Thank you for your reply.

        Well, Newtonian gravity has been rejected only because it does not work for objects that are very near the speed of light. It does work reasonably well (at least in theory) for slower objects, but Einsteinian gravity/Physics seeks to explain motions of all objects, even those that are near the speed of light, using relativistic mechanics (but yes, I agree that it is insane to say that matter bends space-time to support this theory). So Einsteinian physics replaced Newtonian physics only because the latter could not explain very fast-moving objects.

        Newtonian gravity does explain the motion of the planets around the orbits. In fact, one of the reasons it was developed was to explain the motion of these heavenly bodies, tides, etc.

        This is how it explained: Newton’s second law states that a force on an object causes acceleration. Acceleration means a change in velocity (which is speed of object combined with its direction). When a mass revolves around in a circle, there are two types of acceleration, tangential (along direction of motion) and centripetal (along the center). Tangential acceleration increases the speed of the object, and centripetal acceleration only changes its direction to bend it towards the center and prevent it from moving in a straight line (which is Newton’s first law), and thus continue motion in a circular/elliptical path.

        So, this centripetal acceleration only changes the direction of motion of the object and not its speed – thus it also changes the velocity (which is speed combined with direction), and for this centripetal acceleration to occur, there must be a force towards the center of the circle (Newton’s second law). This force is provided by the gravitational force between the two masses.

        What you said about planets getting stuck up to the sun would be true only if they were stationary. But because of the already occuring motion of the planet in the orbits (we do not know, however what exactly set them in motion), all of the gravitational force gets used up to produce centripetal acceleration to maintain the motion in a circle. That is why the planets do not get stuck up to the sun. If the planets would have somehow stopped, only then they would be pulled to the sun by the gravity. But because they are moving, the gravitational force only changes the direction of motion of the body to maintain its motion in the elliptical shape.

        Yes, my point is that this flat earth argument is not very well-informed of the scientific theory. What keeps the objects like birds or planes against gravity are the buoyant force of the air pressure which is greater than the force of gravity at that height, as the gravitational force is very small for these objects, compared to oceans for example, which have more mass.

        Yes, scientists do state a superficial cause for the gravity, i.e., mass (not exactly weight though – weight is the force by gravity). I guess I was just thinking in a bigger sense – like what is even the cause of this force, mass, etc., the cause of all causes, which they can’t explain! 🙂

        • Flat Earth Facts

          Yes. Of course science has no idea what is the original cause.
          Yes. Nice explanation of the scientists idea of Newtonian gravity. The centrifugal force is tending to pull the planet rotating around the sun out and the gravity caused by the sun is pulling the planet towards the sun. The planet is like on a string connected to the sun and spinning around. So the centrufugal force generated by the spinning wants to pull it out in a straight line and sun’s gravity is forcing it to change direction. So the outwards pulling and the sun’s gravitational inwards pulling come to an equilibrium somewhere and that is the orbit of the planet. So it is a nice idea.

          So science is like this, they have nice logical ideas, but it does not mean the system actually works according to the scientists ideas.

          The same centrifugal force would act on the water of course, on a spinning ball in space, the water would also tend to continue in a straight line out into space, rather than spinning around with the earth. That is the problem of the flat earthers seeing the water sticking to a spinning ball in space. It is not what we would imagine would happen, and not something that scientists have any way of testing or demonstrating.

          Gravity certainly does have some mystical powers. How it can hold everything in the same frame of reference, the earth, everything on it, the atmosphere and everything in the atmosphere [like airplanes, birds, etc] and hold it all together in one seamless frame of reference and spin everything so smoothly and seamlessly and consistently, so smoothly that there is no way of detecting the spin. That is magic. It requires a very strong force to hold all these things together in their relative positions and spin them around while at the same time, all these objects can move freely within the frame of reference without feeling the force at all…

          The frame of reference is like the moving car or train, so within the car or train you can throw a ball and it acts within the frame of reference. But with a car or a plane you have a solid container for the frame of reference. So it is not difficult to move the frame of reference if it is a car or a plane. But the frame of reference for the earth is not like that. It is everything like the planet the oceans, the atmosphere, and all the other things all not apparently connected but all moving together as one seamless frame of reference. So it does seem like magic.

          So you can see why flat earthers would question this.

          • Sarnaduti

            Thank you. Yes, I see the source of confusion of the flat-earthers, and yes, gravity does have some mystical properties, in the sense that we not seem to know why it works the way it is thought to. We do not even know if the earth actually spins at all, because we do not feel any movement at all (especially at the huge rate scientists say we are moving).

            But, again, in theory, the water sticking to a ball can be explained by ‘gravity’ too. Water stuck to a ball does experience a centrifugal force that tends to throw it out into space, but the force of friction between the water and the surface of the ball holds it back to earth, and this force of friction is proportional to the normal reaction force that earth gives to the water.

            If the mass of water is high, so is the force of gravity between water and earth, and hence, the water pushes the earth with a huge force. In turn, by Newton’s third law, the earth pushes the water with a reaction force of the same magnitude outward (resulting in an equilibrium in the outward direction). To prevent the centrifugal motion of water leaving the ball sideways, there now remains the friction force between earth and water. Now, because because the reaction force is so high, this frictional force is also high in magnitude. Hence, the water does not go off the ball, due to the high friction, caused by large gravitational force.

            You cannot demonstrate this with a small ball with water in a lab because the force of gravity is very, very weak for such small objects. The force of gravity increases in proportion to the mass of the objects. Hence, scientists cannot demonstrate this phenomenon in the labs.

            This leaves us to question, if this is indeed what is happening with the earth, or is it stationary. It seems scientists have an explanation but not a demonstration, because of the size of the earth involved, which certainly leaves room for questioning. I guess if they let common people visit the space in rockets to see things with their own eyes, things might be clearer.

  3. Riki Jain

    Very informative article with flaws in the research that are rarely published. It is very difficult to track the original causes, I think scientist are continuously working on that.
    Thank you for listing down the rare findings.

  4. Rock J. Riley

    Gravity is a result of all the matter in the universe expanding everywhere. If you shoot a bullet straight up, the expansion of the planet will over take the expansion of the bullet (already a part of the earth) due to it’s size and absorb it again, unless the force is strong enough to outsize the rapid expansion of everything at once. ALL matter doubles in size every xxx minutes. Even the separation of matter in space (lack of matter) expands at the same rate. By the time you are finished reading this post you will be a certain factor of size larger than you were when you began! Expand our thinking.

  5. Noel

    This is a great discussion it’s more about gravity existents and really it is on very shaky ground, I like the density argument it’s simple and can be proven as for the ocean not flying into space I sometimes think they have to be able to explain everything weather or not they know the answer just guess but call it a theory and that satisfies everyone, but these things need to be talked about and not be a taboo that if you question it you’re a flat earther we’ll never get anywhere

  6. Reasoning Monster


    The reason the water on the tennis ball is flung off is because of the inequalities. The tennis ball has less gravitational force than Earth, so the water would fling off.

    If a bird stopped gliding, then it would also fall down. But the air underneath the wings keeps it up. Well, it slows it down at least.

    And Mr. Flat Earth Facts, please do not shove every bit of your “evidence” in my face.

  7. aitor

    Gravity is not magic and no one uses “gravity” as a magic word that wins you a scientific debate. And yet, it helps explain a lot of things.

    Claim 1: gravity does not exist. Things fall according to their density.

    Well, this is wrong and besides, it explains nothing. There is nothing in the notion of density that could explain things falling. If things fall according to density, you still need to explain why is there a privileged direction. In the presence of gravity there is a preferred direction, which is clear: towards the center of the Earth. But if gravity does not exist, why would anything denser move downwards? Where does this notion of downwards come from? With no gravity, there is no preferred direction.

    Claim 2: gravity has never been proven.

    Many experiments have been set up to test gravity. Whereas proven/unproven are philosophical questions (ask Popper), I can list a number of experiments / observations that match with our current understanding of gravity:

    – Cavendish experiment: A modern version can be seen in and also–JDv4
    – Prediction of eclipses. Not only the fact that eclipses occur, but the fact that we predict eclipses with very good accuracy. This also includes the footprint of the eclipse. We know where the eclipse will be visible. This is credit to the Theory of Gravity. If we are ever to replace the current existing Theory of Gravity we will need to replace it by something which provides at the very least predictions as good as what we have today. One of the many sites where predictions can be checked.
    – Movements of planets around the Sun. Not only these match. Also, it needs to be recalled the fact that Neptune was discovered when astronomers were facing some irregularities in the orbit of Uranus. What caused Uranus orbit to be irregular? It was thought that another body must have influenced Uranus orbit, and the telescopes pointed towards and eventually found Neptune.
    – Irregularities in the Gravitational Potential of the Earth. This might account for up to 0.5Kg difference in weight for a person depending on where he or she is taking the measure.

    Claim 3: Gravity is certainly a magical mystery and much more research is needed in this area.

    Do your research. But do it honestly. If you take the claims about gravity, if you take measures, you will see it works. By the way, Newton’s Law for Gravity is valid in a certain range. Einstein’s General Relativity (more complicated) is preferred in a different range where the simplicity of Newton’s law is not accurate enough.

    • Flat Earth Facts

      Very thoughtful response.

      1. Yes. There is definitely a downward force, there is a tendency of objects to fall down. And they can be held up by increasing the density of the medium. Like you can float on water, because the water is holding you up, but still there is that downward force acting. Which we call gravity. So no sane person can say there is no downward force.

      As far as proving gravity it can not be proven on earth at least because whatever experiments we may propose will be totally swamped and overwhelmed by the gravity of the earth. But we do know there is a downward force. And if you want to call that gravity, then I guess gravity is proven..

      2. No one knows how to predict the eclipses except that guy at NASA. You don’t know how. It is a relatively new thing in the West, but in India they have been predicting the eclipses since the beginning of time, with a totally different model of the universe. So your globe earth model is not necessary for predicting eclipses.

      Gravity is magic. It is the magic that makes everything work for the globe earth model.

  8. Yep

    Man I just wonder what this guy thinks about the sun and moon or satilites for that matter. Science is hard, it’s alright if you don’t understand. Most of us can live perfectly reasonable lives enjoying the awesome technology we have, never understanding things like gravity or physics thanks to the contributions of people who do.

    You shouldn’t feel lied to because it doesn’t make sense to you, think about your own brain and body, you don’t understand those either and if they malfunctioned you would just die assuming you were successful in limiting everyone else to your own understanding. Be grateful there are people out there more dedicated than you are to learning and understanding, that can keep you alive like doctors, and provide cool technology with satellites so you can use Google maps

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