Earth and sun are same size and close

Flat earthers claim the sun and moon are equally sized and equally distant circles of light tracing their paths about 6000 to 8000 miles above the surface of a flat earth.

They claim by measuring the angles of the sunlight coming down through the clouds they have determined that the sun is “not millions of miles away but close to the earth, just above the clouds.”

They can not present any proof of these ideas and the model they present with sun and moon spinning above the flat earth can not reproduce the actual occurrence of day and night as we factually experience it on the earth. For example on the flat earth map it would be impossible for Antarctica to experience “midnight sun” as it is experienced in the northern regions. That is because on the flat earth map it is impossible for the sun to light up the entire Antarctic region simultaneously. However, in reality, this does occur. For some days during the summer the sun remains above the horizon for 24 hours without setting.

Conclusion: There is no factual or even valid theoretical basis for proposing the earth and the sun are the same size and are only 6000 to 8000 miles above a flat earth. The actual occurrence of day and night we experience can not be predicted by this model. This is not proof the earth is flat. It is proof that the flat earth map is incorrect.

Supporting Flat Earth Proofs

  • 121) When you observe the Sun and Moon you see two equally-sized equidistant circles tracing similar paths at similar speeds around a flat, stationary Earth. The “experts” at NASA, however, claim your common sense every day experience is false on all counts! To begin with, they say the Earth is not flat but a big ball; not stationary but spinning around 19 miles per second; they say the Sun does not revolve around the Earth as it appears, but Earth revolves around the Sun; the Moon, on the other hand, does revolve around the Earth, though not East to West as it appears, rather West to East; and the Sun is actually 400 times larger than the Moon and 400 times farther away! You can clearly see they are the same size and distance, you can see the Earth is flat, you can feel the Earth is stationary, but according to the gospel of modern astronomy, you are wrong and a simpleton worthy of endless ridicule if you dare to trust your own eyes and experience.
  • 123) Heliocentrists’ astronomical figures always sound perfectly precise, but they have historically been notorious for regularly and drastically changing them to suit their various models. For instance, in his time Copernicus calculated the Sun’s distance from Earth to be 3,391,200 miles. The next century Johannes Kepler decided it was actually 12,376,800 miles away. Issac Newton once said, “It matters not whether we reckon it 28 or 54 million miles distant for either would do just as well!” How scientific!? Benjamin Martin calculated between 81 and 82 million miles, Thomas Dilworth claimed 93,726,900 miles, John Hind stated positively 95,298,260 miles, Benjamin Gould said more than 96 million miles, and Christian Mayer thought it was more than 104 million! Flat-Earthers throughout the ages, conversely, have used sextants and plane trigonometry to make such calculations and found the Sun and Moon both to be only about 32 miles in diameter and less than a few thousand miles from Earth.
  • 124) Amateur balloon footage taken above the clouds has provided stunning visual proof that the Sun cannot be millions of miles away. In several shots you can see a clear hot-spot reflecting on the clouds directly below the Sun’s spotlight-like influence. If the Sun were actually millions of miles away such a small, localized hot-spot could not occur.
  • 125) Another proof the Sun is not millions of miles away is found by tracing the angle of sun-rays back to their source above the clouds. There are thousands of pictures showing how sunlight comes down through cloud-cover at a variance of converging angles. The area of convergence is of course the Sun, and is clearly NOT millions of miles away, but rather relatively close to Earth just above the clouds.
  • 147) The ball-Earth model claims the Sun is precisely 400 times larger than the Moon and 400 times further away from Earth making them “falsely” appear exactly the same size. Once again, the ball model asks us to accept as coincidence something that cannot be explained other than by natural design. The Sun and the Moon occupy the same amount of space in the sky and have been measured with sextants to be of equal size and equal distance, so claiming otherwise is against our eyes, experience, experiments and common sense.

21 Replies to “Earth and sun are same size and close”

  1. Paul Kolack

    It’s not the sun and the EARTH as the same size, it’s the MOON and the sun as the same size, 70 miles wide by virtue of the 70 miles wide shadow the moon cast during the last major eclipse. Shadow can’t be smaller that object casting it.

    • Brian Tanning

      The USA is approximately 2,800 miles wide between the west and east coasts–if the sun were only 70 miles wide then there would be times when it would be in the middle and setting to people on the East Coast and at the same time rising to people on the West Coast. Would be pretty easy to confirm by talking to someone in Manie and California at the same time–but it doesn’t happen.

        • Flat Earth Facts

          It’s very well explained in the globe earth model. It happens in that model because the earth is spinning on a titled axis and as it goes around the sun at one pint the top, North is pointing away from the sun and bottom, South, is pointing towards the sun. So at that time at south pole the sun never sets and at the north pole the sun never rises. 6 months later the situation is reversed and the opposite happens.

          On the flat earth model, it can be explained as the sun moves into the South, it is further away, so the light does not reach the north pole any more, so sun does not rise.

          However there is a serious problem at the south pole for the flat earth model. Problem is on the flat earth there is no south pole. So it is not possible for the sun to illuminate the entire south, a circular island around the flat earth.

          So flat earthers have to argue that this does not happen at the south pole. Flat earthers claim all the videos of midnight sun at the south pole are faked. Because if there was midnight sun at the south pole, that would break their flat earth model.

          But there is midnight sun at both the north and south poles, and this does break the flat earth model.

          I went down to have a look even, only to the bottom of South America, still I could clearly see the sun circling around and rising and setting in the south. Something totally impossible on the flat earth model…

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GWJEve5A3I

  2. Laverne Isaac

    It would be nice to go up high altitude and continuously film the sun and moon. Theoretically, one should be able to see them much longer if the earth is flat since there is less refraction.

  3. Ross Langerak

    You can’t tell the distance and size of the Sun or Moon just by looking. If the Sun were twice as big and twice as far away, it would appear the same size. If the Sun were 400 times bigger and 400 times as far away, it would still appear the same size. I can hold a ping-pong ball at arm’s length and block out the Sun. That doesn’t mean the Sun and the ping-pong ball are the same size.

  4. Ross Langerak

    According to the Flat Earth model, the Sun and Moon are constantly about 6000 to 8000 miles above the Earth, and are just moving around in a circle. Also according to the Flat Earth model, Australia and Argentina are on opposite edges of the Earth. Assuming the distance between Buenos Aires and Sydney was about 20,000 miles, if the Sun was 6000 miles above Sydney, it would still be over 16 degrees above the horizon as seen from across the world in Buenos Aires. You could easily see the midnight Sun from Buenos Aires, or any place else on the planet.
    Of course, the apparent size of the Sun and Moon would also have to change. The Sun would appear largest at noon, and smallest at sunrise or sunset. This would be easy enough to check. Take a picture of the Full Moon at moonrise, midnight, and halfway between, using the same magnification. If the Flat Earth model is correct, they should all be different sizes in the images.
    Alternatively, you could build a pinhole viewer to view the Sun. Open the top of a cardboard box. Tape a white sheet of paper to the inside of one end. Poke a pinhole in the other end, or use a nail if you need more light. Point the pinhole end at the Sun, and you’ll see an image projected on the paper. Measure that image at noon, sunset, and halfway between. If the Flat Earth model is correct, the size of the Sun should change. In northern latitudes, it should shrink by half or more. As seen from Buenos Aires, the Sun above Sydney would shrink by 75% or more.
    The Sun doesn’t shrink, and it doesn’t stay above the horizon. The Sun sets in the evening and it rises in the morning. Anyone can see this, so the Flat Earth model must be wrong.

    • Ghost

      Ross, how is it you say in one response that no matter how far away the sun is it would still look the same, but in another response you say distance would determine size? Which one is it?

      • Ross Langerak

        Both. You can’t tell the distance to something just using its apparent size. The Sun is much bigger than the Moon, but it is also much farther away. They are the same apparent or angular size, but they are not the same absolute size.

        According to the flat Earth model, the Sun and Moon travel above the surface of the Earth. As they move away from an observer, their apparent sizes should change. They don’t. For this and so many other reasons, the flat Earth model doesn’t work.

  5. Ross Langerak

    Have you ever seen sun dogs? They are caused by refraction in clouds. Similar cause to the ring around the Moon at night.
    I suspect your balloonist videographers recorded a sun dog in the clouds. If they moved up, that “hot spot” would have moved away from them. If they moved down, it would have come toward them. If they were able to move laterally, it would have followed them in that direction as well.
    Sun dogs. Google it.

  6. Khaled Rafael

    Could you please guide me to where in copernicus books that i can find him measuring the distance to the sun to be 3391200 miles. Same goes for Kepler and Newton.

  7. Jimbo

    So, geniuses, why don’t one of you take a boat ride to the ice wall / Antarctica and just tell us what you see. You’re theorizing about something that you can PHYSICALLY get to.

  8. Ritongue

    Hold up guys! just tell to those who have got throught the Antarctica by walk that the were in fact just spinning around the earth. Actually they would have walked tens thousand miles only to reach the opposite point on flat earth theory.

  9. Stokie

    If the flat Earth theory is correct, why does a ship appear to sink into the sea as it goes further away, even when watched by a telescope?

    • Flat Earth Facts

      Hi Stokie. You can research this and there is no actual point where a ship sinks below the horizon. It is more or less an illusion. In the sense that if you look with your naked eyes the ship does appear to disappear in the distance, and you imagine it has sunk below the horizon of the curving earth. However, if you take out your telescope and look, you will see the ship is still there. Just you can’t see it with your naked eyes. So the ship did not go over the curve, it just went too far away for you to see it with your naked eyes.

      So it is very difficult really to actually establish the ship is sinking below the horizon because, although you may convince yourself you see it sinking below the horizon in the distance, if you look in your telescope it is still there.

        • ON THE LEVEL

          Langernak,

          On my computer the image of distant barges ( or whatever ) behind some ocean water shows very little. The most I could obtain was apparently two still photographic images. What was the time spread between photos? The water in front of the barges could just have been a swell. How far away was the photographer?

          In short, the photo doesn’t appear to prove anything let alone Earth convexity. The image only spurs questions.

          Thanks.

          • Flat Earth Facts

            People pick the images that support their ideas. You can certainly get images like this. And you can also get images that show things in the distance you should not be able to see if we were on a globe of 8,000 miles diameter.

            The reality is there are all sorts of distortions and optical effects that happen when you try to look in the distance. So it is very difficult to prove anything conclusively in this way.

            However it is dishonest for any globe earther to state that the horizon behaves as we would expect it to on a globe of 8,000 miles in diameter. There are things that are accepted by scientists as unexplained contradictions to their models and these observations that are inconsistent with calculated, expected, horizon distances, it is one of these things. The real scientists accept that there are anomalies between the observation and the prediction of the globe earth model in many cases in regard to horizon distances. This has been known as an anomaly by science for hundreds of years and there is no proper explanation for it with the globe earth model, at least not at the moment.

            The observations are not consistent with what we would expect on a flat earth either….

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